old rooster Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I found an 12 month old injured Saluki x on Tuesday in the Standish area of Wigan, it turns out it has been shot 17 times with an air rifle, shattering his femur and puncturing a lung. All the shots where at his back end so this wasn't done to kill, this was done for fun. Follow this link to see the dog and X-rays http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.530932520283641.1073741826.161343350575895&type=1 Cash reward being offered for information leading to an arrest. Still not tempted to modify your original post then?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Yes, maybe it could have been worded differently/better. Any dog that is caught in the act of stock worrying ought to be shot but even so it should be done quickly, cleanly and humanely. If any member was found to have taken a shot at a fox with a shotgun that was maybe a bit out of range or with small shot size and left it as a "runner" so many others would have dived on him and ripped him to shreads for causing uneccessary suffering, why should it be different for a dog? You make a fair point on the clean shot, however having seen a flock being literally destroyed by a dog in the past, I think we might all view things differently if it was the greatest proportion of that years household income and we had the gun in our hands. To be fair Standish isn't a big sheep farming area being mainly laid to crop so we can only assume it was actually stock worrying We are wondering into the "what ifs" which is pure speculation at this time of course, BUT, if the dog was worrying stock, would it not be better to injure him to make him stop rather than killing him? From what I can see the likelyhood it shotgun pellet rather than air rifle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 If you were a farmer struggling to make ends meet and you witnessed a dog attacking your flock would you think 'I'm going to take my time and make sure I get a direct humane shot' or would you in your moment of anger and desperation point your shotgun in "that" direction and pull the trigger grasping onto the slim hope that you could prevent future attacks and losses and may be able to continue to pay the mortgage and feed your family? It's very easy to sit in judgement when you are emotionally detached from the situation , to shoot a dog that many times with an air rifle seems unbelievable and begs the question as to how airgun pellets are getting confused with shot? Surely the vet who removed the pellets can settle this with a few photos of the shot of pellets? (It's not rocket science to differentiate between the two is it) I also wonder if the media have become involved in this yet as we all know how they love a story to sensationalise . "Farmer shoots dog in the back end with his 12 bore as its attacking his livestock" isn't newsworthy but " yobbos with air rifles torture poor dog by shooting it with an air gun numerous times" is headline stuff , is anybody in contact with the vet and able to settle this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 If you were a farmer struggling to make ends meet and you witnessed a dog attacking your flock would you think 'I'm going to take my time and make sure I get a direct humane shot' or would you in your moment of anger and desperation point your shotgun in "that" direction and pull the trigger grasping onto the slim hope that you could prevent future attacks and losses and may be able to continue to pay the mortgage and feed your family? It's very easy to sit in judgement when you are emotionally detached from the situation , to shoot a dog that many times with an air rifle seems unbelievable and begs the question as to how airgun pellets are getting confused with shot? Surely the vet who removed the pellets can settle this with a few photos of the shot of pellets? (It's not rocket science to differentiate between the two is it) I also wonder if the media have become involved in this yet as we all know how they love a story to sensationalise . "Farmer shoots dog in the back end with his 12 bore as its attacking his livestock" isn't newsworthy but " yobbos with air rifles torture poor dog by shooting it with an air gun numerous times" is headline stuff , is anybody in contact with the vet and able to settle this? I have contacted the vet via their Facebook page asking them to amend the somewhat emotive title of the posting, unless they can show that an air gun was used. Also the OP of this thread but no response from either as yet. Sensationalism of such events is very simple due to the lack of comprehension most have of what is likely to have happened. They are more than happy to suck up the sob story about the poor dog and get enraged about the hordes of rampaging, out of control air gun users we are supposedly being assailed by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 I have contacted the vet via their Facebook page asking them to amend the somewhat emotive title of the posting, unless they can show that an air gun was used. Also the OP of this thread but no response from either as yet. Sensationalism of such events is very simple due to the lack of comprehension most have of what is likely to have happened. They are more than happy to suck up the sob story about the poor dog and get enraged about the hordes of rampaging, out of control air gun users we are supposedly being assailed by. Not forgetting sensationalism sells papers and that's free publicity ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Not forgetting sensationalism sells papers and that's free publicity ! Or that there is nothing to stop a non shooting person from joining a forum such as this and posting drivel to provoke sensationalism! Only need to read some of what the OP has put on the farcebook page to get the gist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Can't comment on the Facebook drivel as I sacked it long ago, its become full of window licking oxygen thieves who don't have the intellect to apply any common sense and are happy to jump on the back of whichever bandwagon happens to be passing , the last fella was trying to tell me that he knew the world was hollow and there was a 100 mile crater where the poles were meant to be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Don't shoot the messenger. "byrney" found this dog, took it to the Vet and was told it had 17 airgun pellets in it. He is only posting what he has been told, its everyone else thats speculating. I agree it does look like shotgun pellets, but like all the other scenarios being suggested, I have no firm evidence.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry90 Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 But what if it was a farmer protecting his stock? He could have easily fluffed the shot in the heat of the moment. Is that still the start of a serial killer? Well ya shoot a dog with a air gun it is sick wether a farmer of not if you were protecting your stock you would shoot to kill so shotgun or bullet gun not a air gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Well ya shoot a dog with a air gun it is sick wether a farmer of not if you were protecting your stock you would shoot to kill so shotgun or bullet gun not a air gun Did it look like air gun pellets to you then mate? They have changed the post to remove reference to it having been an air rifle and admitted that they know nothing about guns. That being the case why did they put it down to an air rifle? They now say if it wasn't an air rifle it was still extremely cruel to shoot the dog over 20 times with a shotgun. I put up a post to explain that a shotgun cartridge contains a number of pellets and not just one and that it is possible that a farmer shot the dog while it was ripping up his sheep. Probably leave it at that as some don't seem to want to consider that as an option over a crazed animal hater at loose in the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 Don't shoot the messenger. "byrney" found this dog, took it to the Vet and was told it had 17 airgun pellets in it. He is only posting what he has been told, its everyone else thats speculating. I agree it does look like shotgun pellets, but like all the other scenarios being suggested, I have no firm evidence.. Take your point but the OP has taken it upon himself to state that the dog was repeatedly shot for fun which is an assumption based on no evidence. Why would anybody want to claim it was an air rifle in particular? The vets are saying it was what they were told so I wonder which "expert" decided, with no evidence or indication that it was done as a sadistic act rather than just stating the facts? Probably best to leave this alone now, I was merely looking to add some reason to what is looking like the finger being pointed to a sector of the shooting fraternity with no evidence whatsoever to support the allegations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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