gamekeeper1960 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 He might well be in scotland very good point that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingit Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 In many shooting disciplines shooters cannot actually see their group without a spotting scope thinking TR here using open sights often at 800 yds and over, yet one might think that leads to shabby shooting but the fact is it doesn't its the sight picture that matters not the bullet holes!. If your reticule is 2"thick its still possible to shoot half inch groups by design, it just means you need a target that can accommodate the sight picture you require for the reticule to work for best effect. Case in point if I am load testing I have an area 325 yds from my firing point at this range my reticule on 12x covers quite a large area (approx. 2" ) so I centralise on a 3" circle and fully expect and achieve groups 1/2 the size of the target at around 1 1/2" centre to centre. I trust you get the point? Fine reticules are however a big plus if your a BR shooter, the drawback is often in the field. Not actually seeing the bullet holes is often a slight mental advantage as it takes courage to take that final 5th shot when 4 have just gone into a screamer (single calibre width hole)admittedly this sort of precision aim is hard with a thick reticule but 1/2" at 200 is very doable with consistency with a std 12x S+Bender 4a and will serve the average fox and crow shooter very well to the limits of their personal range limits Yes,I get your point.Cheers for that Kent. With the setup I use now I can put 1" groups in for the most part,never much more than 2" at 200yrds (In good conditions) but,I got to be honest,I find it quite difficult with my fairly thick ret.I am really happy with the groups I get but I am sure with a little higher mag and a finer ret I may be able to bring the group in a little more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 That would put closer holes in a piece of paper. What you have now is a dead fox/munty/etc. Depends what you want to do. Target or game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 That would put closer holes in a piece of paper. What you have now is a dead fox/munty/etc. Depends what you want to do. Target or game. I'm just shooting game but shooting small groups greatly helps your confidence. Thinking about it, you have about a 4" target on a roe so goodness knows why I'm even thinking about trying to shrink a group by 0.5". The reloading set up costs a bit. But at £43 a box for my last .270 ammo I would definitely consider it. Plus I'm early 20's so I should recoup the costs 5&10 shot groups shot at 100m on the range with altering conditions trying different bullets and weights off a bipod no rear rest with a .2231:9 on x16 fine ret,the 52g amax are hand loaded my first under supervision. The v bull is smaller than a £1 Coin. Im just starting out and learning and some I dialed in and some moved poa ,so not a real group or as good as yours or zx10's groups. Looks ok in my novice eyes. Looks good to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 (edited) use a different target if you have a stalking scope I have a .270 with S&B 4a like yours reticule almost covers a 4" bull at 100yds this allows you to centre the cross hairs without needing to see the spot behind Same load off sticks on the above target and off bags on a table as much as I am delighted with the groups after reseating, I would be happy with the original 3/4" ones for stalking! Edited April 3, 2013 by Bewsher500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted April 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 use a different target if you have a stalking scope I have a .270 with S&B 4a like yours reticule almost covers a 4" bull at 100yds this allows you to centre the cross hairs without needing to see the spot behind Same load off sticks on the above target and off bags on a table as much as I am delighted with the groups after reseating, I would be happy with the original 3/4" ones for stalking! Cheers for that! Ill give that target a go next time I'm out zeroing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicehorn Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 With the setup I use now I can put 1" groups in for the most part,never much more than 2" at 200yrds (In good conditions) but,I got to be honest,I find it quite difficult with my fairly thick ret.I am really happy with the groups I get but I am sure with a little higher mag and a finer ret I may be able to bring the group in a little more. That's why all my scopes are in the 2nd focal plain - ( or is it plane?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 Groups in the opening pic look fine to me. Reloading would tighten them up slightly once you find the best powder for it and the sweet spot length wise. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 (edited) I wouldn't worry about getting those groups any tighter - just get out and shoot it and get used to the gun. I shot a 5p sized group with factory ammo through my Hornet a few weeks back. I then went out with it and clean missed an 80 yard fox off of sticks. All down to me shooting like a blind man. It's all about being able to shoot from different positions in the field - something I am guilty of not doing enough of at the range. It's easy to lie there prone and plug through the same hole over and over once the load is right but it doesn't make you kill any more foxes. Edit... Luckily for me the fox I missed stood still for me again on the next trip so I got him with the .223. I thought I'd created a real problem myself but obviously had luck on my side. Edited April 7, 2013 by njc110381 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 I wouldn't worry about getting those groups any tighter - just get out and shoot it and get used to the gun. I shot a 5p sized group with factory ammo through my Hornet a few weeks back. I then went out with it and clean missed an 80 yard fox off of sticks. All down to me shooting like a blind man. It's all about being able to shoot from different positions in the field - something I am guilty of not doing enough of at the range. It's easy to lie there prone and plug through the same hole over and over once the load is right but it doesn't make you kill any more foxes. Edit... Luckily for me the fox I missed stood still for me again on the next trip so I got him with the .223. I thought I'd created a real problem myself but obviously had luck on my side. Indeed one should challenge oneself in practice by shooting in tricky wind and sitting, kneeling, off hand, sticks or fence post tops. Checking loads and zero its rear bags locked bipods or front rests prone or from the bench. Decide which your doing and stick with it, I practice on the "hard to group days" so I get my wind head on and work on stance rather than worry about the last 1/4 moa. Shooting old fruit or potatoes is all you need not paper and a vernier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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