Sprackles Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 all bluff and bluster this kicked off because spanish fishermen are fishing illegally in british waters. There's the answer......as a former fisherman and resident in what was once the worlds largest fishing port, I still have a strong interest in what is left of our fishing industry and how it is even now being sold out for the dream of a EU fleet ( I kid you not) There are many UK registered fishing boats fishing against UK quota which are in fact owned by the Spanish and crewed by Spaniards, landing all their fish into Spain. Not to mention the Spanish boats that are now also allowed access to UK waters...if our lily livered government wanted to make a point, start boarding and arresting a few...bet that would make them think twice......little bay off Gibralter or UK waters, Let the Spaniards have the Gibralter fishing but make them give up the rest. Bet I know how long the dispute would last then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanj Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 In the Metro, the Spanish Government were quoted as saying that the process was illegal. fortunately they cant afford to take us to court & even if they joined up with the argies couldnt beat us in a scrap. Nothing more than sabre rattling here they have a very good rifle, pistol,and clay pigeon club other than that nothing, a guy did get done a couple of years ago for shooting a monkey. did he move to the north east when he heard you could also hang em there lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 The other option why do the British not close the border that way all of the Spanish workers could not get to work so they would have to pay them unemployment money. The hole thing is just a ploy to take the Spanish peoples mind off there **** government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 There's the answer......as a former fisherman and resident in what was once the worlds largest fishing port, I still have a strong interest in what is left of our fishing industry and how it is even now being sold out for the dream of a EU fleet ( I kid you not) There are many UK registered fishing boats fishing against UK quota which are in fact owned by the Spanish and crewed by Spaniards, landing all their fish into Spain. Not to mention the Spanish boats that are now also allowed access to UK waters...if our lily livered government wanted to make a point, start boarding and arresting a few...bet that would make them think twice......little bay off Gibralter or UK waters, Let the Spaniards have the Gibralter fishing but make them give up the rest. Bet I know how long the dispute would last then. From what I herd a lot of the British fishing quota has been sold on by the British people who run the fishing boats to the Spanish and other people in the same way as a lot of the grants for farming land goes to the rich people who own the land not the people who work the land not much in life is what it appears to be on first sight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 fortunately they cant afford to take us to court & even if they joined up with the argies couldnt beat us in a scrap. Nothing more than sabre rattling here did he move to the north east when he heard you could also hang em there lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 For anyone who is interested you can download the gibraltar frontier queue webcam.and see for your self whats happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 From what I herd a lot of the British fishing quota has been sold on by the British people who run the fishing boats to the Spanish and other people in the same way as a lot of the grants for farming land goes to the rich people who own the land not the people who work the land not much in life is what it appears to be on first sight. And as usual, what you hear is not quite as it seems. Under 10 meter boats have no quota for one thing. Secondly, Banks started taking quotas and licence entitlements to hold as security for boats and when they defaulted sold to whoever would pay the most. Although some have indeed been sold abroad, to say as you do that it was a positive knowledge transaction is also not the case on the whole. A boat is put on the market and a UK company buys it...that UK company turns out to be foreign held....get the picture. The Government of the day, way back when tried to stop it as our then Merchant Shipping act was so lax it allowed non nationals to do this but were defeated in the courts...look up the FactorTame case. I bet your idol is that idiot Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall as well....its because of beliefs such as yours, the misinformation by the green groups and governments love affair with the EU that our fleet is in the state its in. Bet you would be among the first to moan if your job was given to an immigrant and you were then not allowed to work in your chosen profession or if you were, not allowed to do as much as them or work as many days because in effect that's where our fishermen find themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnerbob Posted August 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Ah, but at least they still have a viable Navy! Damn...that one slipped by me ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Damn...that one slipped by me ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 And as usual, what you hear is not quite as it seems. Under 10 meter boats have no quota for one thing. Secondly, Banks started taking quotas and licence entitlements to hold as security for boats and when they defaulted sold to whoever would pay the most. Although some have indeed been sold abroad, to say as you do that it was a positive knowledge transaction is also not the case on the whole. A boat is put on the market and a UK company buys it...that UK company turns out to be foreign held....get the picture. The Government of the day, way back when tried to stop it as our then Merchant Shipping act was so lax it allowed non nationals to do this but were defeated in the courts...look up the FactorTame case. I bet your idol is that idiot Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall as well....its because of beliefs such as yours, the misinformation by the green groups and governments love affair with the EU that our fleet is in the state its in. Bet you would be among the first to moan if your job was given to an immigrant and you were then not allowed to work in your chosen profession or if you were, not allowed to do as much as them or work as many days because in effect that's where our fishermen find themselves. Ok fishing used to be done in a sustainable way with small trawlers and small nets but that was not good enough they had to use bigger boats with gigantic nets add to this sonar to locate the fish and scoop the whole lot out that is why there is no fish in the sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 (edited) Ok fishing used to be done in a sustainable way with small trawlers and small nets but that was not good enough they had to use bigger boats with gigantic nets add to this sonar to locate the fish and scoop the whole lot out that is why there is no fish in the sea. More misinformation. There is actually more fish in the sea now than there has been for a long time...trawlers are having to leave grounds because they cannot avoid catching loads of Cod for which they have no quota. The biggest boats used to fish in deep waters, ie, Iceland, Greenland etc...that fleet vanished with the end of the Cod Wars and in any case fished away from UK territorial waters. It is no coincidence that fish stocks were abundant in the 70s....until we joined the then EEC and the seas became a community resource....getting the drift ? It amazes me how shooters buy all this guff about fish stocks and spout as you are doing yet can spot the anti shooting propaganda a mile off. Still I suppose if you have not been involved in the industry then you will buy what you are told by the greenies, much the same as a non shooter buys all the anti bloodsports stories. http://www.seafish.org/about-seafish/news/north-sea-cod-stocks-rise-again Edited August 16, 2013 by Sprackles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewluke Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 The Basques were the last to hold out against Franco and bore the brunt of his wrath in the years following the civil war, thats why they were bitter. Times a great healer and the regions moved on. Its more of a welsh / english relationship now. so the Basques beat the Spanish at rugby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 More misinformation. There is actually more fish in the sea now than there has been for a long time...trawlers are having to leave grounds because they cannot avoid catching loads of Cod for which they have no quota. The biggest boats used to fish in deep waters, ie, Iceland, Greenland etc...that fleet vanished with the end of the Cod Wars and in any case fished away from UK territorial waters. It is no coincidence that fish stocks were abundant in the 70s....until we joined the then EEC and the seas became a community resource....getting the drift ? It amazes me how shooters buy all this guff about fish stocks and spout as you are doing yet can spot the anti shooting propaganda a mile off. Still I suppose if you have not been involved in the industry then you will buy what you are told by the greenies, much the same as a non shooter buys all the anti bloodsports stories. http://www.seafish.org/about-seafish/news/north-sea-cod-stocks-rise-again . Just toPlay devils avocado sprackles - During the late seventies and early eighties any auld duffer with a floppy glass rod and the ability to ping a lead 60 yards could expect a good bag of cod in the right conditions down at dungie. Now when theres a winter match there might be 100+ skilled anglers with cutting edge tackle twanging baits long distance and catching jack. I've wasted too many hours in nigh perfect cod conditions ( mostly chuffing awful) catching whiting like pencils. I dont even bother now. A twenty from the beach is a rare thing now. They used to be tuppence a throw. I'd love to believe there are more fish out there but i see no evidence of it. Ive not had a decent codling on my long lines for about 15 years and this summer you're doing well to catch decent mackerel in any numbers. The only species thats done well is Bass, i attribute this to the visionaries that brought in the nursery areas in the estuaries in the sw of england. Even this is against the odds, the species gets hammered by commercial boats and ****wit fishmonger worm danglers alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 . Just to Play devils avocado sprackles - During the late seventies and early eighties any auld duffer with a floppy glass rod and the ability to ping a lead 60 yards could expect a good bag of cod in the right conditions down at dungie. Now when theres a winter match there might be 100+ skilled anglers with cutting edge tackle twanging baits long distance and catching jack. I've wasted too many hours in nigh perfect cod conditions ( mostly chuffing awful) catching whiting like pencils. I dont even bother now. A twenty from the beach is a rare thing now. They used to be tuppence a throw. I'd love to believe there are more fish out there but i see no evidence of it. Ive not had a decent codling on my long lines for about 15 years and this summer you're doing well to catch decent mackerel in any numbers. The only species thats done well is Bass, i attribute this to the visionaries that brought in the nursery areas in the estuaries in the sw of england. Even this is against the odds, the species gets hammered by commercial boats and ****wit fishmonger worm danglers alike. It isn't just the commercials. I used to be an avid charter boat angler. We have a vast number of inshore wrecks off Dorset. I used to love a good wrecking trip but it got to the point where I couldn't justify it. On one trip I had a nice 20 lb cod and several smaller double figure fish and decided to stop fishing. By the end of the day the boat had filled eight boxes, mostly cod, with the odd pollock and gunurd. To be fair, the skipper had called a halt said thats enough boys, bring em up. But many others don't and it was a matter of pride for some skippers to try and out-fish the other boats. Many of the cod were full of roe. There were at least ten other angling boats in that particular port and all were out somewhere doing the same thing and all were out 7 days a week, weather permitting. On that day, of the ten anglers on my boat, I was the only one who took any fish home (I took all my fish and a few others, basically all I could carry), most of the other anglers piled off the boat and into the pub and left the fish on the quay. The skipper took a couple, some were given to a small crabbing boat as bait. I don't know happened to the rest, but he's not allowed to sell them so I can only guess. That was going every day of the week through the season, times ten. That was ten years ago and I don't go wreck fishing any more. At the time, there was great resentment against French commercial boats which had developed a method of wreck netting and were hoovering up cod and pollock. The charters couldn't see that they were doing the same thing. And most of their fish weren't even getting eaten. It was exactly the same when the plaice showed up in the spring. A fleet of boats would be queing up to hammer the same marks until the fish stopped coming. And you're right about the commercial bass boats. Every mark will be bristling with rods, and ironically, I'm told most of those fish end up in Spain. Even the legendary Chesil beach mackerel are down to a fraction of what they were 30 years ago. Its very depressing. It doesn't matter how you carve it up with quotas and licenses or which nationality is doing it, there are too many people, too much fishing and not enough fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 I'm on 12 hour nights, just got up and too tired still to type a lengthy reply......some good points above but the bigger picture still is not being seen. Anglers can only have an idea of what is happening close to the shore.....remember when I was going to sea, a trip was 14 to 21 days long and many miles steaming...not a quick taxi ride to the nearest fishing mark. In the Kent area a new form of fishing is being practiced by the Belgians close to our 6 mile limit...pulse beaming, which electrocutes everything in its path. The Danes are heavily involved with industrial fishing with a quota which never gets caught because its so large...Sandeels..a food source for other fish....would you go to cafe with no food on the menu ? There reasons are many and complex...too much really to hijack this thread but suffice it to say, the UK fisherman is close to extinction and things are not going to improve without us leaving the CFP.You want any more info, I'm happy to have a thread dedicated to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 just to get us back onto the original post yesterday two gibraltar registered cars were burnt out in la linea spain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkeyes Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) Since the Spaniards have become obstreperous with regards to our Gibraltar, can we start a "don't buy Spanish stuff " thread ??OUR GILBRALTAR :D Edited August 17, 2013 by sharkeyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 OUR GILBRALTAR :D Yes.....what's sauce for the Goose..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2395882/What-hypocrisy-With-Gibraltar-besieged-ROBERT-HARDMAN-visits-Spains-Rock--colonial-outpost-Africa-ocean-going-double-standards-refuse-surrender.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 The foul discharge aimed at the beaches of Gib is a low blow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 The foul discharge aimed at the beaches of Gib is a low blow! Thats been going on for months, its a nice beach but bathing has been banned.The other three Gib beaches are not affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
four-wheel-drive Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 everything drops in to place when you see this. The Gibraltarian economy has grow steadily since the 1990s, fuelled by online gambling operations and investment funds drawn to the low 10 percent tax on corporate earnings. as usual its good place for the rich to stash there cash and not pay British tax on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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