yas Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) Is any one else having problems accessing www.sacs.org.uk, it has been down all day!! Edited September 23, 2013 by yas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 His mum unplugged the computer to get her hoovering done. On the bright side, the BASC one is still up and running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedster Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 It's not down, it's just not got any content. Hopefully, it is just for a revamp and they haven't done a runner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 I will advise I hate BT..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 These things happen from time to time, a dare say they will do all they can to get it fixed as quickly as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted September 23, 2013 Report Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) Probably overloaded with all the new applications for their cheap legal cover Edited September 23, 2013 by Luckyshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Probably overloaded with all the new applications for their cheap legal cover Yeah, his mum is ploughing through those right now, but that washing won't do it self and those beds need turning down today because it's Tuesday. Tuesday also means it's sausages for tea this evening and so a trip to the butchers. She'll probably get round to sorting membership applications in the evening. Yep, you get what you pay for in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 It is back up now. On closer inspection - i'm wondering who is behind SACS - and under what kind of umbrella? BACS are an Industrial and provident society - so one can be fairly certain that their affairs and money they earn are used within the society. Everything is audited and you can check them out online: https://mutuals.fsa.gov.uk/SocietyDetails.aspx?Number=28488&Suffix=R I could find nothing on SACS. Their website is devoid of any details on who or what is behind the organisation or under what formal umbrella they are under. They are not listed at companies house, do not appear to be listed as a provident society - so what are they? I'm curious to know from anyone who joined who the payment was made to on their credit-card statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 His mum unplugged the computer to get her hoovering done. That did make me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chady Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Why don't you just call them?? It is back up now. On closer inspection - i'm wondering who is behind SACS - and under what kind of umbrella? BACS are an Industrial and provident society - so one can be fairly certain that their affairs and money they earn are used within the society. Everything is audited and you can check them out online: https://mutuals.fsa.gov.uk/SocietyDetails.aspx?Number=28488&Suffix=R I could find nothing on SACS. Their website is devoid of any details on who or what is behind the organisation or under what formal umbrella they are under. They are not listed at companies house, do not appear to be listed as a provident society - so what are they? I'm curious to know from anyone who joined who the payment was made to on their credit-card statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) It seems they are an Unincorporated Association. https://www.gov.uk/business-legal-structures/unincorporated-association This isn’t a legal structure, so the association won’t be recognised by the law. Individual members are personally responsible for any debts and contractual obligations. I wonder what this means for members? Edited September 24, 2013 by aris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 It is back up now. On closer inspection - i'm wondering who is behind SACS - and under what kind of umbrella? BACS are an Industrial and provident society - so one can be fairly certain that their affairs and money they earn are used within the society. Everything is audited and you can check them out online: https://mutuals.fsa.gov.uk/SocietyDetails.aspx?Number=28488&Suffix=R I could find nothing on SACS. Their website is devoid of any details on who or what is behind the organisation or under what formal umbrella they are under. They are not listed at companies house, do not appear to be listed as a provident society - so what are they? I'm curious to know from anyone who joined who the payment was made to on their credit-card statement. cheques are made to Scottish association for country sports, card payments are the same, but with a comma and larkhall at the end, hth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Ok, a bit of further investigation - their domain is registered to: Name & Registered Office: TOURISM DOCTOR LTD SUITE 1A, CHURCHILL HOUSE HORNDON BUSINESS PARK WEST HORNDON ESSEX CM13 3XD Company No. 05867554 At least put a little effort into it. You could not be further from the mark. Tourism Doctor are web designers, a profit making organisation. SACS registered address, clearly shown on their website,is SACS Netherholm, Netherburn, Larkhall,, ML9 3DG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Why don't you just call them?? I could, but I shouldn't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 At least put a little effort into it. You could not be further from the mark. Tourism Doctor are web designers, a profit making organisation. SACS registered address, clearly shown on their website,is SACS Netherholm, Netherburn, Larkhall,, ML9 3DG. Yes - I realised that and removed the comment. Still, i'd expect a body to register the domain in their own name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 SCOTTISH ASSOCIATION FOR COUNTRY SPORTS Company #: - Address: Netherholm, Netherburn LARKHALL, ML9 3DG, Lanarkshire, GB Description:Scottish Association For Country Sports has a good financial risk score of 4/5 and a very poor environmental score of 15/100. Industry: Non-life insurance Turnover: £97,000 Employees: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 SCOTTISH ASSOCIATION FOR COUNTRY SPORTS Company #: - Address: Netherholm, Netherburn LARKHALL, ML9 3DG, Lanarkshire, GB Description:Scottish Association For Country Sports has a good financial risk score of 4/5 and a very poor environmental score of 15/100. Industry: Non-life insurance Turnover: £97,000 Employees: 2 So under what legal structure do they work? I found a reference to them being an unincorporated association. From what you have found, it sounds like all two of them are just insurance salesmen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) There is nothing stopping an association operating as an unincorporated body, BASC did up until about 15 years ago. What is important though, regardless of incorporated or unincorporated status are the rules and constitution of the Association, these show what the association exists to do, how its run, rights of members, how meetings run etc. In other words its the 'heart & soul' of the association. When it comes to selling insurance, its important to remember that this activity is strictly regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. Unless you are registered with the FCA or are an appointed representative of an insurance provider who is resisted with the FCA then in general terms you cannot sell insurance - there are some exceptions I believe such as travel insurance for example. Only those who sell insurance by way of business need to be regulated, remembering that this also applies if the insurance element is part of a 'package'. The 'business test' is fairly simple and the most simple way of looking at it is this - Would I still sell my product if I took the insurance element away? If yes you are probably selling insurance by way of business and you should look to register with the FCA or at least take advice from them, if no - you may not need to be registered. These common sense regulations are in place to protect consumers, as it requires the seller of the insurance to make a clear declaration of the cover they provide, including key inclusions and exclusions of the policy to the consumer BFORE they buy for the first time AND at every renewal. This declaration has to be in a standard format of a 'Key Facts' document. As to the turnover (ie revenue / income) of SACS quoted above, I think this must be out of date, as I understand SACS to have around 15,000 members (maybe I am wrong?) and with a turnover of £97k that makes it a little over £6 a member? Anyway, please understand that this is not a dig at SACS or anyone else for that matter, just some points to clarify that organisations, ever larger ones can operate happily as an unincorporated body, and selling insurance is a strictly regulated activity. David Edited September 24, 2013 by David BASC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 As to the turnover (ie revenue / income) of SACS quoted above, I think this must be out of date, as I understand SACS to have around 15,000 members (maybe I am wrong?) and with a turnover of £97k that makes it a little over £6 a member? Taken verbatim. The accuracy of the info is affected by the limited sources. I have no idea why they don't have this on their website but after a bit of digging I did come up with a declaration of 17,000 members in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 This is what concerned me. When I look at the 'About BASC' page on the BASC website - I get a pretty comprehensive list of information on how the organisation is structured, and who is involved. On the SACS website - I get pretty much nothing. Also, I suspect they will soon have to remove their claim to be the only association offering 100k legal insurance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) This is what concerned me. When I look at the 'About BASC' page on the BASC website - I get a pretty comprehensive list of information on how the organisation is structured, and who is involved. On the SACS website - I get pretty much nothing. Also, I suspect they will soon have to remove their claim to be the only association offering 100k legal insurance You are obviously a member of Sacs if the lack of information is "concerning" you.Now,take your time,calm doon and PM Vulpicide off of here and he will hopefully appease you as you seem most worried about this.I once got concerned about the price of Tampax and then remembered I was a bloke and what does it matter because I don't use them. Edited September 24, 2013 by sako751sg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 Marki, I was not doubting what you posted, its just it seems an odd figure that's all. I am sure they guys at SACS will get their web content improved ASAP as after all its the 'shop window' of the association David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 You are obviously a member of Sacs if the lack of information is "concerning" you.Now,take your time,calm doon and PM Vulpicide off of here and he will hopefully appease you as you seem most worried about this.I once got concerned about the price of Tampax and then remembered I was a bloke and what does it matter because I don't use them. It should be concerning for all. They claim to represent shooters, but their shop window is doing so in an unprofessional way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marki Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 (edited) I personally don't have any concerns. Have a read through some of the Parliamentary documents, SACS do seem to have influence up North. BTW. I am neither a member of SACS or BASC. I was with the CA but now I'm just a cheap **** looking for the best deal at the moment. ;-) Edited September 24, 2013 by Marki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mereside Posted September 24, 2013 Report Share Posted September 24, 2013 well i took up SACS and can tell you from first hand experience that one phone call ian has done everything to help me in my variation when i did not get what i much from other party's. the newsletter that you get tells you whats going on and i am really happy with the service and will continue to use them the web site does not bother me one bit because the actual help i recieved and backing was all that counted ,atb wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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