Jaymo Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Anyone in the trade give me an idea as to the cost to have my Navara "mopped" to take the dulled top coat off? Been a bit naughty and left the truck overseas for a while in the sun and dint get it cleaned/polished. Retrieved it and tried cutting compound type polishes by hand but to no avail. Cheers Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Not sure that it works like that on modern cars. I think the top coat is no more than a layer of clear lacquer. Not the same as polishing off the top layer of an oxidised paint. Happy to be proved wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 It really depends on the original finish and it's present state, also whether it is metallic finish or not. The worst colour for age dullness tends to be non metallic red and although it can be brought back by a body shop compound it will revert back within months. A body shop full compound should be no more than £50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andypaint Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 £50 you got to be joking. I've got a car body shop and to do a paint restoration would take all day and be at least £300. Takes alot of labour and materials. Each bottle of compound is £30. Plus all the masking and sand papers buffer mops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT SEARCHER Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 PLUS + 1 on that £50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted December 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 It's just plain ole white, the parts that I did manage I did with some compound specifically purchased but as I didn't have a proper buffer I used a buffing mop foam head thing on a angle grinder but of course the speed of that is 11000rpm so too fast. But the bonnet did come up ok, instead of looking dull and feeling rough to the touch it had that smooth feel. Was hoping around the £125 mark to have it done, so would I be better off just buying a proper polishing machine and more cutting compound or is it beyond DIY scope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 £50 you got to be joking. I've got a car body shop and to do a paint restoration would take all day and be at least £300. Takes alot of labour and materials. Each bottle of compound is £30. Plus all the masking and sand papers buffer mops I didn't mention anything about paint restoration, just a compound buff all over the car, when I get something in that needs a few too many hair line scratches polished out I get the body shop to give it a full compound, saves a lot of time but takes them less than an hour. They often do one or two panels for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 To jet wash it off then compound it with G3 (or similar) then jet wash again to remove the compound sludge would take us about 2 hours, so £100 with materials (cash). If you wanted or it needed something more in depth then you are talking as stated up to £300. Big vehicle and depends what the damage is - probably fallout / sun so difficult to gauge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted December 10, 2013 Report Share Posted December 10, 2013 In my body shop we would charge between £120 + vat (for a mop all over in coarse then fine polish) to £250 + vat (for flatting then polish then spirit wipe off to remove the fillers in the polish and re polish and wax) To do it properly is a bit off work, done well it should stay up no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted December 11, 2013 Report Share Posted December 11, 2013 In my body shop we would charge between £120 + vat (for a mop all over in coarse then fine polish) to £250 + vat (for flatting then polish then spirit wipe off to remove the fillers in the polish and re polish and wax) To do it properly is a bit off work, done well it should stay up no problem. Good to read that a bodyshop owner knows that there are fillers in compounds - I've worked for 2 paint manufacturers in the past as a tech guy for 10 years plus and you would not believe the amount of paint complaints that I have gone out to where I was told your paint has dropped back after 2 weeks or so and flatting marks have reappeared ! When I'd point out that they are the original ones that were never quite removed and that their compound had hidden them temporarily and now the owner had washed the vehicle a couple of times and had washed the compound out finally they always seems surprised. Like you state a quick wipe over with spirit wipe / degreaser / glass cleaner is well worth doing for a top job. Worse compounds for 'filling' flatting marks in my opinion are - 3M Fast Cut and Farecla G3 Better ones are - Farecla G6 and Mirka C20 / 10 I have worked for an abrasive / compound / polish / tooling manufacturer now for the past 8 years, but still work at a friends shop doing mainly restoration work - I could not survive in a normal shop these days as I am way too slow ! ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) We always spirit wipe over after the initial polish, we repair a lot of classic and prestige cars so it's not good having them come back a while later with dull patches. We used to use the 3m fast cut but it is overpriced and full of fillers, we have switched to the Autosmart No3 polish for the initial polish after flatting but reluctantly have stayed with the 3m fine and extra fine as it does seem to be the best. finish this off with a good quality wax and touch wood we never have a problem Edited December 12, 2013 by silver pigeon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masmiffy Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 I did 3 panels on a red KA my daughter bought with either autosol or T cut then went over the whole car with colour restore polish. This was over 12 months ago and it still looked OK last weekend when she called in. Dirty yes cos she dont wash it but all panels still looked same colour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 We always spirit wipe over after the initial polish, we repair a lot of classic and prestige cars so it's not good having them come back a while later with dull patches. We used to use the 3m fast cut but it is overpriced and full of fillers, we have switched to the Autosmart No3 polish for the initial polish after flatting but reluctantly have stayed with the 3m fine and extra fine as it does seem to be the best. finish this off with a good quality wax and touch wood we never have a problem Good on you. Great attitude to have - after all your name and reputation is in the cars that leave your premises. Never used the Autosmart range - my mate uses a German product called scholl or schott (not my company product - unfortunately) It's purple in colour and when used with a lambswool mop is very quick and gives an amazing finish straight off the mop. Do you use lambswool mops? We demo with them now - it's like going back in time to when i started ! Worth a try in my opinion. ATB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 I did 3 panels on a red KA my daughter bought with either autosol or T cut then went over the whole car with colour restore polish. This was over 12 months ago and it still looked OK last weekend when she called in. Dirty yes cos she dont wash it but all panels still looked same colour. Plenty of elbow grease then - nice when you can stand back and see your own work. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon 3 Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 Good on you. Great attitude to have - after all your name and reputation is in the cars that leave your premises. Never used the Autosmart range - my mate uses a German product called scholl or schott (not my company product - unfortunately) It's purple in colour and when used with a lambswool mop is very quick and gives an amazing finish straight off the mop. Do you use lambswool mops? We demo with them now - it's like going back in time to when i started ! Worth a try in my opinion. ATB. We don't use the lambswool mops, i will have a look at them. The Autosmart range is very good in the whole, about 2 years ago we switched from using the Autoglym range to the Autosmart and have not looked back. They do a hard wax and it is brilliant, by far the best wax i have ever used (and it smells fantastic!!) the beauty about it is that it contains no chalk so if it gets on rubber or unfinished plastic it just wipes off leaving no white marks. We have just had 3 cars we carried out repaints on display at the classic motor show, they were all received very well especially the Allard Palm Beach Mk2. If anybody is interested here are a couple of links to the car http://www.allardregister.org/home/2013/11/28/allards-at-the-2013-classic-motor-show.html Its the red one half way down the page reg number 545 EXR http://www.dep-o.co.uk/events/2013-nec-classic-motor-show-report/ click on the 2nd set of thumbnails far left image. I might even start a topic in the motoring section on it, as it was a project and a half!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted December 12, 2013 Report Share Posted December 12, 2013 They look fantastic - thanks for sharing and I would happily read a thread showing a project start to finish. I never tire of reading and seeing how others do jobs - great believer that none of us knows it all. That's probably why I like my job so much - I meet very knowledgeable people week in week out. Thanks again. ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted December 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2013 Well, judging by what's been mentioned its time to buy a buffer and some recommended product..... Just doing it to increase the part ex value :-) Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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