welshwarrior Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 It probably will. But to do this, I know that my old RFD would have to- Buy a PC Buy Excel or MS Office Buy broadband Subscribe to / buy drop-box or similar service Buy in expensive IT support to set all this up for him Buy in expensive IT training to understand it all Buy in expensive ongoing IT support for when it inevitably breaks, or the law changes again, or he want to move things, or whatever I guess that some RFDs will already know how to do all this, but it's an industry that, in general, doesn't have those sort of characters in my opinion. It won't all be expensive but I agree some of the older generation will struggle but I like to think the younger generation like myself will help them they help me and trained me in some case just for a packet of hobb knobs (chocolate of course). But yes a big ask for some of our best gunsmiths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 It probably will. But to do this, I know that my old RFD would have to- Buy a PC Buy Excel or MS Office Buy broadband Subscribe to / buy drop-box or similar service Buy in expensive IT support to set all this up for him Buy in expensive IT training to understand it all Buy in expensive ongoing IT support for when it inevitably breaks, or the law changes again, or he want to move things, or whatever I guess that some RFDs will already know how to do all this, but it's an industry that, in general, doesn't have those sort of characters in my opinion. These are all legitimate concerns but they are hardly large ones or very expensive ones. Change comes to all types of industry and it always costs money. In the great scheme of things this is not a large or necessarily expensive change in the offing. It's just one of those things you have to live with. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Would a photo of the paper register emailed suffice? after all it has all the info contained in an electronic format and with new cameras with wifi/sim cards you could upload the info straight to a secure online photo account...... Does the directive state the format the electronic format the records must take? £99 android tablet and google docs online spreadsheet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Under Directive 2008/51/EC EU Members are required to register every firearm, and by December 2014 they must establish and maintain a computerized data-filing system that allows designated authorities access to registered firearms. Firearms records, such as make, model, serial number, supplier’s information, and data on the person who acquires or possesses a firearm, are required to be kept for a minimum of twenty years. BASC is working with the Home Office to ensure that dealers aren’t disadvantaged and have time to implement the changes. We welcome new trade partner Epos Link who are offering BASC Trade Members a 10% discount on new sales. http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32008L0051:en:NOT Wow interesting bit of reading...Still don't see how the National firearms database/PNC doesn't fulfill the obligation and why RFD's are required to buy a software package or keep individual electronic records. Happy to be enlightened on this but don't see anything in the directive that states it is a requirement....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 It's just one of those things you have to live with. J. Yup, agreed. I just feel that it's yet another hurdle / barrier that might put people off getting into, or staying in, what is already a declining sector. I mentioned in a previous post, my old RFD. I used to go to a local shop for everything. The guy was a gunsmith as well as being an RFD, and had a good stock of shooting and fishing gear at reasonable prices and was willing to do deals. He ran a successful business as an RFD in a good-going shop. When retiral time came, there were no takers to buy the business as a going concern. So the shop closed. An event all too commonplace over the last few years. I can't see the trend reversing, and with legislation like this coming along it might even speed the trend up. Maybe that is the intent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yup, agreed. I just feel that it's yet another hurdle / barrier that might put people off getting into, or staying in, what is already a declining sector. I mentioned in a previous post, my old RFD. I used to go to a local shop for everything. The guy was a gunsmith as well as being an RFD, and had a good stock of shooting and fishing gear at reasonable prices and was willing to do deals. He ran a successful business as an RFD in a good-going shop. When retiral time came, there were no takers to buy the business as a going concern. So the shop closed. An event all too commonplace over the last few years. I can't see the trend reversing, and with legislation like this coming along it might even speed the trend up. Maybe that is the intent. Precisely what I thought, however, I hate paperwork, and never had any intention of messing about with paper based registers. Sadly I do feel that this move may well see some of the old boys out of business; a loss to us all. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted December 21, 2013 Report Share Posted December 21, 2013 My fear is who will get access to this data - legally or otherwise??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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