welsh1 Posted December 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 No they are not. We do not have any single sense of a "constitution" , at least not in the sense typically understood ie American. We have, at best, a loose affiliation of documents, laws and custom. The Monarchy is a best titular. They are an anachronism and unnecessary in a modern world. Believe if you wish. I also have fairies a the bottom of my garden, a bloke in a red suit brought my chrissy pressies and my kids were dropped off by a stork. And america has had its constitution for how long? Britain has been an evolving constitutianal democracy longer than most in the world,believe what you like but the monarchy is intertwined with all the democratic process this country has gone through. If you cannot accept history then it is yourself who is living in la la land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambsman Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Don't talk to me about history. This is getting silly. Logic has gone out the window here. There is no need for Royalty. It is outdated and outmoded. You might as well continue to cling onto Empire. Or perhaps you are? Most Monarchists tend to! We are a small island with a decreasing influence in the world. We need to concentrate on what matters if we are to maintain a sustainable standard of living. And that does not need to include that lot. Our system of government is far from perfect - we all know that. But Monarchy is not the answer. Anyway, I am off now as this is going nowhere fast. Been fun though. Hopefully no feelings hurt. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 I am not a Royalist. Having said that I firmly believe in Democracy and peoples right to choose..... So can I suggest that all royalists pay say £300 pounds each per year into a fund to provide their future health and wealth. Collected maybe through council rates. ...For those non Royalists nothing. Survey carried out at Airports a couple of years ago asking tourists if they had come specifically to see the Royals only 0.3% said they had. Paris without the Royal family attracts as many overseas visitors. Very, very few people go anywhere to see one thing specifically. How many people go to Paris specifically to see the Eiffel Tower? Very few, I suspect, but it doesn't mean it's an argument for Paris not to have it. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Bunch of German/Greek inbreds. Just look at the kids. Every advantage in life and all as thick as bricks. Wish they would all ****** off and leave us be. Don't understand why people feel the need to scrape and grovel. I will not bow to anyone. More bitter, twisted and envious bile. This is not much more than a bunch of random offensive words. It's also untrue and clearly so - unless, of course, you think that the British armed forces allow people who are 'thick as a brick' to fly rather expensive attack helicopters. Takes a reasonable IQ to be able to do that sort of stuf, you know. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 No they are not. We do not have any single sense of a "constitution" , at least not in the sense typically understood ie American. We have, at best, a loose affiliation of documents, laws and custom. The Monarchy is a best titular. They are an anachronism and unnecessary in a modern world. Believe if you wish. I also have fairies a the bottom of my garden, a bloke in a red suit brought my chrissy pressies and my kids were dropped off by a stork. I think you really need to do some serious reading up on the British constitution before you post much more on this subject mate. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint1 Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Being a royalist requires the same mind-set and blinkered view of life as a religious fundamentalist, we are all entitled to our view unless you disagree with them of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 My problem is not so much with having a King/Queen but you then get all of the hangers on prince this and princes that as if that was not enough we then get in to the lords and ladies that the breeds the other lord and ladies that are appointed by the government. we are then expected to look up to them and call them sir or lady when all that most of them did was to do the job that they was well paid to do in the first place as fare as I am concerned I am English I was born here as was my parents and there parents I look up to people who can do things better than I can but I have nether need or use for a figurehead to look up to. That's all very well but kiss goodbye to the Monarchy and its hierarchy of titular noblemen and you kiss good bye to country sports...so I would be tempted to put her back on the Christmas card list.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted December 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Being a royalist requires the same mind-set and blinkered view of life as a religious fundamentalist, we are all entitled to our view unless you disagree with them of course. And being someone who believes that the system we have should be abolished, even though it has worked in one form or another for 100's and 100's of years, without putting forward a valid alternative that will be better is a poor argument, in fact it is no argument at all. And your point about religion and monarchy is not even comparable, one requires a belief,the other is there to see,to compare the two is not an argument at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint1 Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 A system that has no purpose whatsoever other than to be a drain on the coffers and make the rich richer? A system that removes major dissenters or those that put the succession at risk quicker than you can say 'Paladin'? Check 'Brookie' on Freeview 173, she should be queen, ooh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Very, very few people go anywhere to see one thing specifically. How many people go to Paris specifically to see the Eiffel Tower? Very few, I suspect, but it doesn't mean it's an argument for Paris not to have it. J. I did and I suspect Millions more .... What a lot of people don't know is that the rivets holding the structure up are British made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevo Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I think some people should brush up there History , and maybe then find a little respect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambsman Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Respect has to be earned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted December 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Respect has to be earned Ha ha ha ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman Mike Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 The Russians had the right solution Yep and look at them now.. Bunch of German/Greek inbreds. Just look at the kids. Every advantage in life and all as thick as bricks. Wish they would all ****** off and leave us be. Don't understand why people feel the need to scrape and grovel. I will not bow to anyone. That's because there's no one below your intellectual level to bow to.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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