aris Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Fact ..... We are more in Dept now than when Labour left office...... You are right we are in more debt. That's what happens when a (Labour) government makes un-budgeted long term commitments that future governments have to honour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 You are right we are in more debt. That's what happens when a (Labour) government makes un-budgeted long term commitments that future governments have to honour. the CONcervatives would never do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 the CONcervatives would never do that like a referendum! KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 like a referendum! KW on that we agree no way will camerons referendum happen mr rothchild wont like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 According to the Telegraph today, that scion of socialism Mr Blair is now worth £70mill and has had his best year yet. Nice to see socialism is working well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 According to the Telegraph today, that scion of socialism Mr Blair is now worth £70mill and has had his best year yet. Nice to see socialism is working well Like the union fat cats. With salary packages of six figures and they have the brass neck to claim solidarity with a bloke on minimum wage struggling to get along. I'm staggered that anyone actually votes labour, at least the Tories don't try and hide what they are. Labour claim to be for the working man whilst having their noses firmly in the trough the whole time. Tony Blair was the best Tory leader the Labour party ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Like the union fat cats. With salary packages of six figures and they have the brass neck to claim solidarity with a bloke on minimum wage struggling to get along. I'm staggered that anyone actually votes labour, at least the Tories don't try and hide what they are. Labour claim to be for the working man whilst having their noses firmly in the trough the whole time. Tony Blair was the best Tory leader the Labour party ever had. oh well seems the up front Tories are being deserted, wonder why? hug a hoodie boy has had his chance and failed miserably, Ukip look like being a close second with the traitors party labour heading the list, now if we can only get the rest of the con supporters to vote Ukip and push them to 1st http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-lost-third-conservative-2988473 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 oh well seems the up front Tories are being deserted, wonder why? hug a hoodie boy has had his chance and failed miserably, Ukip look like being a close second with the traitors party labour heading the list, now if we can only get the rest of the con supporters to vote Ukip and push them to 1st http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-lost-third-conservative-2988473 You forgot to mention the Liberals, can anyone actually mention that party anymore without sniggering? My future son-in-law is one of the faces in UKIP. Personally I don't think they've got it right either though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Like the union fat cats. With salary packages of six figures and they have the brass neck to claim solidarity with a bloke on minimum wage struggling to get along. I'm staggered that anyone actually votes labour, at least the Tories don't try and hide what they are. Labour claim to be for the working man whilst having their noses firmly in the trough the whole time. Tony Blair was the best Tory leader the Labour party ever had. Agreed. I'm not keen on Cameron and not convinced enough about UKIP yet so the conseratives are the lesser of all evils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Politics is always about choosing the least worst option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Politics is always about choosing the least worst option. im afraid you are probably right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 Politics is always about choosing the least worst option. normally but now there is a new kid on the block, so why still go for proven failure. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 normally but now there is a new kid on the block, so why still go for proven failure. KW You mean UKIP? They are hardly new, but yes, they do seem like the least worst option at the moment - but I still feel uneasy about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old rooster Posted January 5, 2014 Report Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) normally but now there is a new kid on the block, so why still go for proven failure. KW Because by his own admission his party is nowhere near ready to be in government. What we really need is the conservatives in without those liberal wets dragging things back. Maybe Cameron isn't the man for the top job? As things are shaping up generally we are going to need somebody with a serious pair of nads before things get too much worse!! Ironically the biggest threat is that UKIP votes will allow liebore back in again, if that happens we can kiss any hope of this country ever recovering goodbye. Edited January 5, 2014 by old rooster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimlet Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 We won't get a UKIP government. They can't field enough candidates. But a massive swing to them will blow the current rotten Westminster consensus out of the water, which is precisely what is needed. Even if UKIP push the Tories out and let Labour in, it will be, from Labour's point of view, a poisoned chalice. There is everything to gain from throwing a stick of UKIP dynamite into our political closed shop, and everything to lose from keeping things as they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 We won't get a UKIP government. They can't field enough candidates. But a massive swing to them will blow the current rotten Westminster consensus out of the water, which is precisely what is needed. Even if UKIP push the Tories out and let Labour in, it will be, from Labour's point of view, a poisoned chalice. There is everything to gain from throwing a stick of UKIP dynamite into our political closed shop, and everything to lose from keeping things as they are. my view entirely, I also note that the liberal vote is prospected to be around 3% so that's means they are finished as a party, lets hope UKIP really do blow the others out of the water too. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 We won't get a UKIP government. They can't field enough candidates. But a massive swing to them will blow the current rotten Westminster consensus out of the water, which is precisely what is needed. Even if UKIP push the Tories out and let Labour in, it will be, from Labour's point of view, a poisoned chalice. There is everything to gain from throwing a stick of UKIP dynamite into our political closed shop, and everything to lose from keeping things as they are. Absolutely correct. ...... Cameron is now telling us .... Vote for me and I will increase pensions. Have we not heard this before... Something about a Referendum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 my view entirely, I also note that the liberal vote is prospected to be around 3% so that's means they are finished as a party, lets hope UKIP really do blow the others out of the water too. KW My prediction - UKIP steal votes from conservatives, lost Lib votes go to Labour. Milliband will be the next PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Tory/Ukip coalition? My prediction - UKIP steal votes from conservatives, lost Lib votes go to Labour. Milliband will be the next PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 Tory/Ukip coalition? I doubt they will have enough seats. I'd say more likely a Labour/LibDem coalition - assuming it is even necessary. The last Labour government were clever - they created a whole segment of voters who were dependent on the state for survival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I know, my home town is full of them. The Tory/Ukip coalition is more of a wish than likely reality hence the question mark. I doubt they will have enough seats. I'd say more likely a Labour/LibDem coalition - assuming it is even necessary. The last Labour government were clever - they created a whole segment of voters who were dependent on the state for survival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) didnt nigel say he'd have a coalition with either party with the right leader, bye dave talk about backing both sides , just more shifty deals ukip will end up just like the others but enjoy it while you can at this point they probably still have some sincerity for now. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/9784758/Ukip-could-be-in-2015-Coalition-Government.html Mr Farage said the Prime Minister should not have called Ukip supporters "pretty odd" and "closet racists" as many of these people are his own Tory voters.. no kidding the days of any party putting britain 1st are long gone now its a deal here a deal there and the boys keep their jobs usual shabby politics we are all used to. the good news.... its going to be interesting Edited January 6, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 I doubt they will have enough seats. I'd say more likely a Labour/LibDem coalition - assuming it is even necessary. The last Labour government were clever - they created a whole segment of voters who were dependent on the state for survival. Er I think if you actually stand back and see the truth thatcher created the dependency on benefit prob's we have. lib dems are dead in the water, ukip-toryboys minus cameron is my prediction, think 1st past the post is now just about done for,wait for the shout for proportional representation from the libby luvies. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overandunder2012 Posted January 6, 2014 Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) does anyone really see us leaving europe, not going to happen ukip/tory coalition = ukip selling out as the torys wont agree to bail from europe their strings are pulled by the money men of europe without whom theres no torries dont get me wrong part of me wants us out of europe but i dont see it happening deal or no deal with ukip it should be all or nothing not shifty deals then at least people could believe in them even if they have not got power Edited January 6, 2014 by overandunder2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2014 does anyone really see us leaving europe, not going to happen ukip/tory coalition = ukip selling out as the torys wont agree to bail from europe their strings are pulled by the money men of europe without whom theres no torries dont get me wrong part of me wants us out of europe but i dont see it happening deal or no deal dont be so sure http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/oct/24/david-cameron-tory-rebellion-europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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