huds78 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 After recently completing an NVQ 3 in management I`m now looking at studying for level 5 but getting confused as to which qualification to work towards. Has anyone got any experience with either the CMI or ILM courses ? and can offer advice in which path to follow ?. I work fulltime as a manager of a small business so either one will be studied as a distance course and as I will be dedicating a lot of my free time to it I want to choose the correct one. Really I want to know which one carries more weight if I needed to seek alternative employment in the future and which one is better for carrying on to a higher level if I wanted to later on. Any advice will be gratefully received Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I have no idea but will check with a HR chum who may know.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huds78 Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I have no idea but will check with a HR chum who may know.. Mate that would be great thanks, I have also looked at doing the level 5 nvq via the OU as well http://www.open.ac.uk/choose/vocational-qualifications/qualifications/management/level-5-nvq-diploma-management/the-qualification-structure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Congratulations huds78! You might like to think about aiming for the MBA ( Masters in Business Administration), all the folk I come across with this Q are flying pretty high. Look at CMI and ILM and see if you get any credits maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huds78 Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Congratulations huds78! You might like to think about aiming for the MBA ( Masters in Business Administration), all the folk I come across with this Q are flying pretty high. Look at CMI and ILM and see if you get any credits maybe? Cheers! TBH I`m nervously excited about starting which ever course I choose to do as the level 3 was the 1st studying of any kind I had done since leaving school 20yrs ago ! and although it wasn`t overly difficult I think the level 5 is going to stretch me as from what I`ve read its quite a jump, hence I really want to choose the right path to follow. I will look into the MBA and see if either of these courses can help towards it via credits as if I`m successful at this I do plan to follow it on further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 I'm a ILM advocate, I use them a lot with my staff. If you want, PM me. ILM is well known as rounded and generally 'soft' (that's a positive if people don't know what I mean by that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambsman Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Depends what you want to achieve. Experience tends to count for more IMHO. I am not a fan of MBAs unles you want to work for a US firm. Too much like talking to a text book! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Depends what you want to achieve. Experience tends to count for more IMHO. I am not a fan of MBAs unles you want to work for a US firm. Too much like talking to a text book!A typical response, experience is important, but its a dinosaur attitude and absurd to think you can't get a management job unless you have huge experience. These qualifications enable people to manage, regardless of trade. IMO the very worst managers are the ones who have been doing the job for years and years, waiting for deadman shoes for promotion. Edited January 24, 2014 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huds78 Posted January 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Kyska thanks for your advice I have just replied to your email now it was very helpful. I do have experience as I have worked for the company for 17yrs, the last 10yrs as an assistant manager and the last 2yrs as the manager but with no formal training or qualifications so my options if I needed to seek alternative employment would be very narrow and also now I`m in that the position I would like to be able to the job to the best of my ability. Even doing the level 3 has helped me look at the way I approach different situations for the better so I think any further training can only help plus now I have got my brain back into learning mode I want to take it as far as I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Slightly off topic but are there qualifications I could take in my spare time to get me a rung higher. I'm.only a newly appointed supervisor. Wouldn't mind studying to help me achieve management level if I could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Slightly off topic but are there qualifications I could take in my spare time to get me a rung higher. I'm.only a newly appointed supervisor. Wouldn't mind studying to help me achieve management level if I could. Plenty, I'm a advocate of ILM, lots of courses, very relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huds78 Posted January 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Slightly off topic but are there qualifications I could take in my spare time to get me a rung higher. I'm.only a newly appointed supervisor. Wouldn't mind studying to help me achieve management level if I could. I don`t know what level you wanted to start at but I`ve just got my supervisor government funding for a level 2 team leader course and 2 of my sales staff on a level 2 customer service course again fully funded if they had of been under a certain age (24 I think) they could of done level 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 ILM seems to be the feedback from my HR chum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambsman Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 A typical response, experience is important, but its a dinosaur attitude and absurd to think you can't get a management job unless you have huge experience. These qualifications enable people to manage, regardless of trade. IMO the very worst managers are the ones who have been doing the job for years and years, waiting for deadman shoes for promotion. I am not a dinosaur. I never said that you need huge experience. I do not advocate dead mens shoes. Where are you coming from? I merely gave my thoughts as an MD in a FTSE 100 style company. What do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huds78 Posted January 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 ILM seems to be the feedback from my HR chum. Thats great mate thanks, that confirms what advice I had from Kyska so looks like thats the path I`ll be pursuing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) I am not a dinosaur. I never said that you need huge experience. I do not advocate dead mens shoes. Where are you coming from? I merely gave my thoughts as an MD in a FTSE 100 style company. What do I know? As an md in such a company I would of thought you'd be more eloquent, and less arrogant(what would i know being a md of a ftse company), fair do's, no offence intended, you are in a staunch position to make a really powerful contribution to this topic. Edited January 24, 2014 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambsman Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Oh for goodness sake. Eloquent? Check your own use of English. Quote, "I would of thought". Should be " I would have thought", "Staunch position"? An apostrophe in "do's"? Are you sure you want to play this game? If I came across as arrogant then I apologise. That was not my intent. I was merely trying to make the point that talent, ability, hard work and a good attitude is what matters in my opinion. Qualifications are always important but I feel need to matched and balanced with experience if one wishes to progress in the Corporate world. Only trying to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Oh for goodness sake. Eloquent? Check your own use of English. Quote, "I would of thought". Should be " I would have thought", "Staunch position"? An apostrophe in "do's"? Are you sure you want to play this game? If I came across as arrogant then I apologise. That was not my intent. I was merely trying to make the point that talent, ability, hard work and a good attitude is what matters in my opinion. Qualifications are always important but I feel need to matched and balanced with experience if one wishes to progress in the Corporate world. Only trying to help.What game? Are you suggesting a spelling/grammar competition? I'm not sure what the lecture on grammar etc was about, It's a bit random, I was actually trying to suggest you would be very useful to this conversation. You see in my trade you HAVE to be qualified, otherwise you can't do the job, hence my possibly biased opinion on qualifications. Are you arrogant? Not sure. patronising? I think so. Damn there are some prickly characters on her at the minute. Edited January 25, 2014 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambsman Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Apologies again if I came across as patronising! Maybe I am just having a bad week! Shall we restart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Apologies again if I came across as patronising! Maybe I am just having a bad week! Shall we restart? Yes! I didn't call you a dinosaur, I'm just very aware from personal experience that sometimes really innovative young managers are dumbed down because they are 'chasing experience' and they can never catch up because of older managers. The op is very experienced, 17 years of manager experience, but is now being held back by the lack of formal management training, that was my point, obviously a hidden point. I'm sure you're a good bloke to get into the position you're in. Have a good weekend. (Smiley inserted, I'm on my phone) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Doncaster college runs the courses so will look into what course I need. Wonder if work would pay for it..worth asking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambsman Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Yes! I didn't call you a dinosaur, I'm just very aware from personal experience that sometimes really innovative young managers are dumbed down because they are 'chasing experience' and they can never catch up because of older managers. The op is very experienced, 17 years of manager experience, but is now being held back by the lack of formal management training, that was my point, obviously a hidden point. I'm sure you're a good bloke to get into the position you're in. Have a good weekend. (Smiley inserted, I'm on my phone) Happy days. I was just trying to make the point ( badly as it turns out!) to try to keep a balance between quals and experience as I have seen folks spend lots of hard earned on courses that don't always help. Horses for courses and all that. Talk to your boss etc and see if they will support and/or fund your development. If nothing else it will give you an insight into their cultural values and so on. Sounds like you are probably on the right track. Good luck and I hope you get what you desire (and hopefully make less mistakes along the way than I did!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPScon Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 As a manager with a fair amount of experience, I think you need that balance of experience and training. I've moved up the ladder throughout my career and have learnt through experience. I agree with Cambsman that experience is key whether or not this comes before, during or after training / qualifications. Although Kyska is 100% correct to point out the value of training courses. I'm now supplementing my experience with training and feel that I can understand the course content more from my managerial roles but can grow as a manager from a formal qualification. Experience is great but ensure you don't experience the same year twenty times over (if that makes sense). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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