rogcal Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) HI. Can any of you chaps help me with a query as to what load is in a particular cartridge? I was give several boxes of trap cartridges which I would like to use at my local clay shooting establishment however, they have a ban on the use of anything with a load greater than 28 grams. The cartridge is marked "Record", 70mm and bears "7" as the shot size. The brass cap is marked "Baikal", "12" and Made in USSR. The brass cap is 8mm deep. The boxes carry the same details along with statement "Smokeless", "High Impact" and "Low Recoil". It is also marked "Record Trap/Skeet Cartridges". I know what everything above refers too but by giving others a full description it may help someone who remembers using these when they were produced over 30 years (or more) ago. I have test fired a few through my 301 and all fire well with no obvious defects or malfunctions. I suspect they are 28 gram given the depth of the brass cap but I would value others comments, as I am unfamiliar with this particular make and type of cartridge. Thanks in advance for any help that can be provided. Edited February 8, 2014 by rogcal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Why not just cut one open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogcal Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Why not just cut one open? What and ruin a perfectly good cartridge! My Jewish/Scottish ancestors would be spinning in their grave. I suppose I could and weigh the powder on my cocaine scales! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 What and ruin a perfectly good cartridge! My Jewish/Scottish ancestors would be spinning in their grave. I suppose I could and weigh the powder on my cocaine scales! You need to weight the shot not the powder to determine load weight! Should be able to do it on kitchen scales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 I remember using these. If it has Baikal Record printed on it and a plastic melted imprint on the crimp it is likely to be 1 1/8th oz (32gm). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogcal Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) I've emptied one and yes they are 32g. Bug*er! Thanks for the input chaps. Edited February 8, 2014 by rogcal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Does the 28 gram rule not only apply to competition shooting ?and if there is no marking on the cartridge who would know as long as they were used in practice it's not like something would cause an accident I think you will find over the years 1000's of people will have used a few pigeon loads whilst clay shooting . We all used to use cartridges like these years ago it's no more dangerous than a 28 gram Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogcal Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Yes Deershooter I agree that as a practice round and not in competition I suspect I could get away with it and particularly as they are not marked. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rem708 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 I still have some of these and they are such fun. I don't know what powder they used to put in them but the flame out of the barrel is just something else - like firing a BP cannon Yes these predate the change to 28g and are definitely 32g. I've not seen these on sale here in the UK for a long time..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 The supply of these dried up when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Does the 28 gram rule not only apply to competition shooting ?and if there is no marking on the cartridge who would know as long as they were used in practice it's not like something would cause an accident I think you will find over the years 1000's of people will have used a few pigeon loads whilst clay shooting . We all used to use cartridges like these years ago it's no more dangerous than a 28 gram Deershooter I think it may have something to do with noise regulations. I have been to practise grounds where over 28gm shells are strictly forbidden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 I think it may have something to do with noise regulations. I have been to practise grounds where over 28gm shells are strictly forbidden. Don't think so. Some ultra fast 28g loads are loud. 1500fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Don't think so. Some ultra fast 28g loads are loud. 1500fps. It may not be, but on that particular ground, the owners had trouble with noise complaints from locals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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