keeperdan Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I have just brought a savage arms axis 243 rifle, just wondering if anyone else has 1 and what bullets they use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonicdmb Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 You'll have to try some different brands in your rifle and see what it likes its the only way. What are you using it for? Do you reload? A friend of mine who does not reload works on the principal start with a box of the cheapest and work up till you find one that is good enough. Then it depends on what you want to use it for. I load for my .243 and use 87 vmax for foxing gets me out longer range and don't blow about as much as the light ones PPU 90's do well for Deer You will probably find that 70 to 90 grain bullets will be most accurate but that is subjective as for deer stalking an inch group at 100 yds is more than enough but is not for foxing out to 300/400 yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeperdan Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Hi,I am using it for deer and foxes, but it don't reload.. I was just seeing if anyone else knew what the best was so I didn't have to go though all the brands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Hi,I am using it for deer and foxes, but it don't reload.. I was just seeing if anyone else knew what the best was so I didn't have to go though all the brands Sorry to say, but it doesn't work like that Dan, wish it did as it would be so much easier. Each and every rifle will shoot the same brand round to a different POI, some might shoot well, where as others will not. have a try on the Privi Partizan, £12 for 20. if they don't shoot then you haven't lost much. I home load and still playing with combinations but i do like home loading. i have a great, flat, foxing round that will shoot deer but i wouldnt want to shoot big fallow with it. then again my 6.5 is my main stalking rifle. best of luck and really hope your first try is the right one. ATB Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Try Federal they do a 70grn Nosler b/tip load that normally shoots well for foxes and a 100 grain load as their power shock of unknown origin that works ok on deer. End of the day clean you barrel pick a good day if they don't work to good try something else, just don't go buying more than a box till you know. ON ANOTHER POINT MENTIONED ABOVE 1" groups at 100 yards will by that (cone of accuracy) be out of the required clean kill zone on a fox at just over 200 yards BTW, that's provided the shooter can do the rest (reading the wind and range and adapting to it). the brain of a fox occupies about 1 1/2" of the cranium cavity the boiler room about 3" side on. That said there is a big difference in shooting at a bit of paper pinned tightly to a board multiple times (were effectively you have a sighter in your first round) and hitting a first cold clean shot into a a live creature likely to move unexpectedly (from a field stance) at double the distance and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Accurate ranging is an art in itself- that's why I cheat using a Burris Laser Range finder scope. It's brill. Set up for my cartridge, squeeze the button to get the range and the little dot gives me the exact holdover- just wind age to calculate. Not cheap, but what in our sport is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Accurate ranging is an art in itself- that's why I cheat using a Burris Laser Range finder scope. It's brill. Set up for my cartridge, squeeze the button to get the range and the little dot gives me the exact holdover- just wind age to calculate. Not cheap, but what in our sport is? A suitably loaded and zeroed .243 and you shouldn't need much hold over anyhow. 87 Honaday BTHP at a fairly sedate 3150 fps zeroed at 220 yards just under 1.5" high 100-150 yards , just about 2" low at 250 yards. FV 10mph wind at 250 yards is around 5" mind you (over double the drop)- wind is always the issue no matter the calibre no matter the kit. Take a 55 grn Nosler at knocking onto 4000 fps................... technology? Pah! give me simple and sturdy well made qualty kit and a few thousand hours training any day. if I had to put a ping on them with a laser they are way too far for normal field conditions, wonder how many of the geeks that make the kit can make the shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Us boys and their toys.... How many have been tempted to take a shot thinking the distance is 'x' when it turns out to be 'y'. Lay of the slope, backdrop etc have caught many an unwary out- seen wounding by an over optimistic shot placed far too low. Shoot out to 1200yrds on the range where by all factors are taken into account but this and the intermediate distance are all marked making things easier- recently lost a bet whilst doing some shooting in the hills north of Nice, could have sworn the distance was over a km, yet when ranged it turned out to be only 600m, backdrop and extreme downward slope gave the impression of greater distance. Had this situation required a shot I would surely have been well out- and prob lost the wager too which is more important. Thousands of hours training! Well I for one would love to have this luxury, but tell me- unless your serving infantry ( even then only specialist might receive that amount of range time) then I personally welcome anything to assist. Next your be telling me that cars shouldn't have power steering and double de-clutching is the way to go- ABS? Nah it must be for wusses...... Not having a go, as in every case. It's each to their own- same goes for any kit, you buy what you wish to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Us boys and their toys.... How many have been tempted to take a shot thinking the distance is 'x' when it turns out to be 'y'. Lay of the slope, backdrop etc have caught many an unwary out- seen wounding by an over optimistic shot placed far too low. Shoot out to 1200yrds on the range where by all factors are taken into account but this and the intermediate distance are all marked making things easier- recently lost a bet whilst doing some shooting in the hills north of Nice, could have sworn the distance was over a km, yet when ranged it turned out to be only 600m, backdrop and extreme downward slope gave the impression of greater distance. Had this situation required a shot I would surely have been well out- and prob lost the wager too which is more important. Thousands of hours training! Well I for one would love to have this luxury, but tell me- unless your serving infantry ( even then only specialist might receive that amount of range time) then I personally welcome anything to assist. Next your be telling me that cars shouldn't have power steering and double de-clutching is the way to go- ABS? Nah it must be for wusses...... Not having a go, as in every case. It's each to their own- same goes for any kit, you buy what you wish to buy. Serving infantry get very little range time truth be known, if it were down to me (which it isn't) the guys would spend far longer learning to use the tools of their trade and less time kissing butt and polishing buckles. Range a target from what you already know and if you cannot see what you already know (telephone pole 200yds, ditch 360 yards, top of the rise 480 etc) or by what you see in the scope (Keep the scope on a set mag your used to that still gives a decent FOV) once you have seen a few hundred deer and fox in your scope you soon learn what is too far. There are 8000 + hours in a year, start in your teens and by the time you need reading glasses you can generally off set some of the advantages of when you had better eyes . You can be a fair bit out with range without drastically effecting much if you look at the dope given, what you cant do is hit 2" kill zones at 600 yards CCB in a wind, 1200 like you say is target shooting on a range (its that far coz some guy marked it out first), shoot the same range often enough and you can learn the wind on it quite well simply by note taking and watching the flags that the club provides. Just pointing out the .243 the nature of the thread don't need to get to complicated and here I am making it sound complex. Aim a little high if its far away, don't shoot if its too far. Learn what wind is likely to do and if you need to take a small opportunity target at under 200 aim low just a little. Indeed just learn one range 220yards and practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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