welshwizard Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I know there has been mention of gaugemate USA adapters but went on their site and they seem to be out of the ones I wanted , cant find them reasonably priced stock in UK so was wondering if anyone used these and if so are they reliable - http://shotgunadapter.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 The only thing I'd say about these is how do you extract the shell after it is fired? The gauge mate ones have a little notch on the side where you can wedge it out. With these I suspect you would need to use a tool to push them back out from the other side. Not very practical. Email the gauge mate people and see when they will have stock - May be worth the wait. What size did you want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted March 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 The only thing I'd say about these is how do you extract the shell after it is fired? The gauge mate ones have a little notch on the side where you can wedge it out. With these I suspect you would need to use a tool to push them back out from the other side. Not very practical. Email the gauge mate people and see when they will have stock - May be worth the wait. What size did you want? Good point I hadn't noticed that , was after 12-28 ,20-.22lr and 20-.410 . gauge mate are selling off their silver and gold versions but very little stock , looks like they are concentrating on the "pocket series" collections i.e ".pocket sportsman " etc . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 I had a look at the Gaguemate site - they used to have a 'silver' and a 'gold' version of the product. They now seem to have re-launched the 'gold' as the 'sportsman'. There seems to be stock of the Sportsman, and the only difference I can see is the colour, though I ordered the 'Gold' product and it is silver in colour. You can order the sportsmen adaptors individually, though I bought the kit with two adaptors, and a pouch and other bits inside - US$99. http://www.gaugemate.com/purchase/category/25-pocket-sportsman-gaugemate-gold E-mail them and ask about the differences - they were fairly helpful when I mailed. I'd also be a bit weary of ordering anything that could chamber FAC ammunition - i'm not sure what the legalities may be even if you do have an FAC. I have the Gaguemate 12-28 - and it works very well indeed, though you won't be winning any speed-loading competitions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) I have a set of "little skeeters" .410 12 -410 adapters, seem to work fine just lack a little velocity (not a bad thing for how I use them). Turn the ejectors off if fitted pull the adapter out just like a shell and pop out the empty with the next live shell, no good in a hot corner but fine walking. Very handy in the first barrel at short range stuff that would be smashed to bits by the 12 ga and you cant always leave the shot till suitable range arrives in cover Edited March 27, 2014 by kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted March 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) I had a look at the Gaguemate site - they used to have a 'silver' and a 'gold' version of the product. They now seem to have re-launched the 'gold' as the 'sportsman'. There seems to be stock of the Sportsman, and the only difference I can see is the colour, though I ordered the 'Gold' product and it is silver in colour. You can order the sportsmen adaptors individually, though I bought the kit with two adaptors, and a pouch and other bits inside - US$99. http://www.gaugemate.com/purchase/category/25-pocket-sportsman-gaugemate-gold E-mail them and ask about the differences - they were fairly helpful when I mailed. I'd also be a bit weary of ordering anything that could chamber FAC ammunition - i'm not sure what the legalities may be even if you do have an FAC. I have the Gaguemate 12-28 - and it works very well indeed, though you won't be winning any speed-loading competitions! I have emailed them but still waiting to hear , I didn't think there would be a problem with the .22 rimfire to use with shotshells , I use them and 9mm rimfire /garden gun , I am trying to sell off some of my small calibre shotguns and replace with these adapters for calibres I continue to use , seems handy to have a smaller gauge adapter with you instead of carrying another gun , if there was a dealer in UK doing them I would prefer to buy here . Edited March 27, 2014 by welshwizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted March 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) I have a set of "little skeeters" .410 12 -410 adapters, seem to work fine just lack a little velocity (not a bad thing for how I use them). Turn the ejectors off if fitted pull the adapter out just like a shell and pop out the empty with the next live shell, no good in a hot corner but fine walking. Very handy in the first barrel at short range stuff that would be smashed to bits by the 12 ga and you cant always leave the shot till suitable range arrives in cover Can you turn the ejectors off on all guns , I remember some shotguns gave the option but not sure on mine - Winchester 101 supergrade , Browning medallist , J. Mcnab ,Morgan all o/u with single selective triggers ? Edited March 27, 2014 by welshwizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Not necessary with the Gaugemates - they have little silicone bands which fit around the adaptor in little grooves - these allow the adaptors to simulate extraction in a gun with ejectors. Basically they allow the adaptor to slide up and down in the chamber without ejecting. They do recommend you use lube/grease - and the kit includes a tube of some excellent 'SuperLube' synthetic grease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted March 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 There use to be a few available home grown , I remember my mate buying a 12 - .410 and a 12 - .22 rimfire think it was made by or for Webley ? Would save all the hassle of importing them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Can you turn the ejectors off on all guns , I remember some shotguns gave the option but not sure on mine - Winchester 101 supergrade , Browning medallist , J. Mcnab ,Morgan all o/u with single selective triggers ? As you say on some you cant, so you need to be quick then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 There use to be a few available home grown , I remember my mate buying a 12 - .410 and a 12 - .22 rimfire think it was made by or for Webley ? Would save all the hassle of importing them . They are all easy enough to make but even blank firing shotgun adapters go through proof in the UK now and it bumps the cost right up. Now if you knew someone who could............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriBsa Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 They are all easy enough to make but even blank firing shotgun adapters go through proof in the UK now and it bumps the cost right up. Now if you knew someone who could............. Funnily enough I was looking at some old adds for 410 from a stash of Shooting Times magazines from 1972/73. How do they stand now legally Because if they are classed as a shotgun barrel in their own right they are way under 24". Or are they merely a chamber? Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Two 12- .410 http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/j-s-auctions/catalogue-id-2904741/lot-21650109 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Funnily enough I was looking at some old adds for 410 from a stash of Shooting Times magazines from 1972/73. How do they stand now legally Because if they are classed as a shotgun barrel in their own right they are way under 24". Or are they merely a chamber? Tom I have always assumed them to be a barrel adapter not a barrel though I assume it might take a test case to decide that (for which I cannot see the point as it needs to be used in a legally held gun of full length or held on FAC). Interesting question though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted March 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Funnily enough I was looking at some old adds for 410 from a stash of Shooting Times magazines from 1972/73. How do they stand now legally Because if they are classed as a shotgun barrel in their own right they are way under 24". Or are they merely a chamber? Tom All you are doing is modifying the chamber of an already legally held shotgun or section 1 gun (if under 24") they are not intended to be used for anything else are they. Two 12- .410 http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/j-s-auctions/catalogue-id-2904741/lot-21650109 That's one I already have and think its a Webley bought years ago - thanks anyway though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 I have emailed them but still waiting to hear , I didn't think there would be a problem with the .22 rimfire to use with shotshells , I use them and 9mm rimfire /garden gun , I am trying to sell off some of my small calibre shotguns and replace with these adapters for calibres I continue to use , seems handy to have a smaller gauge adapter with you instead of carrying another gun , if there was a dealer in UK doing them I would prefer to buy here . I recently bought some 10 to 12 adapters from them. Took about 6 weeks. They said they were moving premises and needed to get more manufactured as they had run down their old stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted March 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) I recently bought some 10 to 12 adapters from them. Took about 6 weeks. They said they were moving premises and needed to get more manufactured as they had run down their old stock. That's good to know ,thanks for the info , I should manage to get them for next shooting season then I am still awaiting a reply from them , did you have any problems with customs ? I am going to the Midland game fair in Sept . hoping I could find some in UK . Edited March 28, 2014 by welshwizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countrysports Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 I would assume that these would need to be put on licence as they may be classed as a component part of a firearm in GB as in NI. They could constitute as a pressure bearing part as far as i can tell. Anyone who has got the definitive response from their firearms oficer, could they shed light on this. I know they would be required on license in Northern Ireland as an additional component part. We are calibre restricted in firearms and ammo to specific listed calibres and quantity of ammo on FAC. We do not have shotgun certs, only FAC's. I would be interested in hearing peoples responses from local forces - not the "I have had one for year and no one has said anything" response please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 I would assume that these would need to be put on licence as they may be classed as a component part of a firearm in GB as in NI. They could constitute as a pressure bearing part as far as i can tell. Anyone who has got the definitive response from their firearms oficer, could they shed light on this. I know they would be required on license in Northern Ireland as an additional component part. We are calibre restricted in firearms and ammo to specific listed calibres and quantity of ammo on FAC. We do not have shotgun certs, only FAC's. I would be interested in hearing peoples responses from local forces - not the "I have had one for year and no one has said anything" response please. No license needed on the main land. They are not pressure bearing normally made of aluminium and with out a guns chamber to support them they would split as the cartridge fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAsh Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 I brought some 12-410 gold ones and found the carts stuck in after firing, spoke to guagemate and they said really designed for Winchester AA carts and quite size sensitive, in end sent them back, seemed the small 410 expanded to much when fired and jammed with AA designed carts being stronger design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 I know there has been mention of gaugemate USA adapters but went on their site and they seem to be out of the ones I wanted , cant find them reasonably priced stock in UK so was wondering if anyone used these and if so are they reliable - http://shotgunadapter.com/ I ordered something recently and it was dispatched within a couple of hours by tracked USPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countrysports Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 No license needed on the main land. They are not pressure bearing normally made of aluminium and with out a guns chamber to support them they would split as the cartridge fired. The ones I have used in the states were made from milled steel .They could also be argued to be like magazines which are considered component parts in N.I. so thank you for the response regarding GB legislation. Yes, if you have magazines for any firearm you do not have on your FAC you are committing a firearms offence!! However expanding ammunition is not considered a firearm component in N.I. and I had to have a clause added for when I travel to UK that I am permitted to possess expanding ammunition (It took ages to get our firearms branch to understand that this was needed for posessing such ammunition in GB.) Anyway I digress... Thankyou for that response. Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 The Birley tubes are a bit different that it sound like your describing in The states they use them to shoot skeet mostly and full length with there own multi chokes etc. very well machined and expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFreddysCat Posted April 1, 2014 Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 That's good to know ,thanks for the info , I should manage to get them for next shooting season then I am still awaiting a reply from them , did you have any problems with customs ? I am going to the Midland game fair in Sept . hoping I could find some in UK . Only just seen your post. No problem with customs, they just arrived in a padded envelope. Cari was very helpful in customer services, her e-mail address copied below. Cari Hockett <customerservice@orthogroup.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwizard Posted April 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2014 Only just seen your post. No problem with customs, they just arrived in a padded envelope. Cari was very helpful in customer services, her e-mail address copied below. Cari Hockett <customerservice@orthogroup.com> Ordered a pair last week shipped via ups and tracked but no number given yet , I emailed them again today to see if they shipped yet , how long did yours take ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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