Letter To Natural Englands proposal to restrict pigeon shooting on the

[wattsowatts]

I am going to write to natural England to make my views known on their proposals, which are crazy for farmers and pigeon shooters, but I was wondering if there are any template.letters doing the rounds?

[ditchman]

what are their proposals............

[wattsowatts]

They want to take pigeons off of the general licence and ensure that an authorised person (don't know who this will be?) is satisfied that appropriate legal methods have been used to control them first. They are suggesting that appropriate methods are scaring or proofing. They have no idea, consultation closes on the 19the May.

 

As many people as possible need to write their address is wildlife.consultation@naturalengland.org.uk sending a copy to SAC would also help

[Guest stevo]

where have you read they want to take pigeons off the general licence if your talking about the " shoo before you shoot " condition , I think you have misread it .

Edited April 27, 2014 by stevo

[Guest stevo]

this is taken off the Natural England's website ,

 

Wildlife myths

1. Natural England is introducing a new licence condition requiring farmers and land managers to scare off wood pigeons damaging their crops before they can resort to shooting

 

 

 

This is not true. Firstly we are not introducing a new condition. Proposal 31 on the General and Class Licence Consultation is to amend the wording of the existing condition which requires licence users to have considered legal, non-lethal measures before they rely on a General Licence to kill one of the protected species listed under the licence. The new wording has a similar expectation that the licensee will have considered “reasonable and appropriate steps to resolve the problem, such as scaring and proofing”.

That wording does not require farmers and land owners to try to scare off pest and other species before resorting to shooting. It is reasonable to conclude that, in most cases, scaring can only be part of a control strategy to deal with issues like crop damage. Accordingly, we don’t expect users to trial non-lethal methods first if experience or best practice suggests that these methods would be ineffective in tackling the problems caused by species such as wood pigeons.

In the same way, licensees are not required to wait until damage has occurred before taking action. In most instances where there is the potential for damage – and the potential for wood pigeons to cause damage is well known - it is reasonable and appropriate for farmers and land managers to use licensed measures to reduce the risk of serious damage occurring. The licence wording recognises this and does not mandate a “shoo before you shoot” approach and there is no expectation that scaring measures must be taken each time or immediately before any shooting.

 

 

so don't go getting your Knickers in a twist just yet matey , read all the info first !

 

 

http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/regulation/wildlife/mythbusting.aspx

Edited April 27, 2014 by stevo

[wattsowatts]

Not quite what the article in The Field suggests.

[Guest stevo]

have you got a link ?

[wattsowatts]

No, I have the magazine. It's the editorial lead.

Edited April 27, 2014 by wattsowatts

[Big Mat]

Not quite what the article in The Field suggests.

 

Ok so you've got two sources, one from the Natural England website, the people proposing the changes, or an article written by a journalist. Now which one do you really thing would be the best one to believe?...

Edited April 27, 2014 by Big Mat

[Guest stevo]

No, I have the magazine. It's the editorial lead.

ok ... which copy / month I would like to read it please

[wattsowatts]

The reference is Young J, Licence to chill. The Field, May 2014, p7

[matone]

Think our view of NE should be the same as the Red Indians view of the White Man.

[wattsowatts]

Look at the damage the white man did to the Idians!!!!!!

[Disco Stu]

You have up to the 19th May to respond to the Natural England consultation. In addition to shoo before you shoot it includes more red tape surrounding Larsen traps and a host of other quango looking for things to do to justify its existence rubbish.

 

http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/ourwork/regulation/wildlife/licences/wildlifelicensingconsultation.aspx

 

 

Natural England is seeking views on a number of proposals and topics relating to the General and Class Licences issued under wildlife legislation. These licences are periodically reviewed, and Natural England consults with stakeholders and the general public on proposed changes and seeks views on broader topics.

The themes of this consultation include:

• the management of conflict species;
• the trapping and welfare of animals;
• sale, exhibition and possession of protected species;
• improving compliance with the licences;
• changes related to obligations under the EU Birds Directive.

This consultation will be of interest to anyone who uses a General or Class Licence, and organisations representing the interests of licence users and/or protected species.

[wychwood]

Read BASC's position on the proposal

 

https://basc.org.uk/blog/media/consultations/english-general-licences-consultation-have-your-say/