How fast does a standard clay fly?

[pin]

Reading all this about golf, makes me want to get out to the driving range

 

Fancy a couple of baskets one evening cat?

[Catamong]

Definitely up for that, I sure need the practice..!!

 

Cat.

[Shootingman]

I am an engineer and I have an enquiring and technical mind but the best solution is go out and shoot some clays at a practice ground where you can blast away at your hearts content, with out a pattern plate and a slow motion camera you are not going to see exactly what the shot string is going to do.

 

At 35 yards give it 3 foot of lead but dont stop swinging, if the clay turns to dust it has flown into the centre of the shot string, if the back edge has been chipped off you were slightly behind the clay, use these pointers to gauge lead on your next shot and dont forget your 35 yards and 3 foot of lead could be totaly different to my picture.

 

now even im confused i think the forum should have all engineers rounded up and forced to shoot a thousand rounds in a day, if that dont cure it another thousand the next day ,

 

when i out on the range instructing i often hear "give it 3 feet", my first question to them is how do you perceive 3 feet on a bird thats traveling at 60 mph at 35 yds ? each and every target's lead will vary through its flight, gauging a lead is the key to a good kill, for some reason most people use that term "3 ft" , and as you rightly said your veiw of the bird will be different from mine, one practiced method i do use is to gauge lead with your fingers, something you can actualy visualise, think of lead in the number of fingers you can see between your muzzle and the target

, onviously the more acute the target the more fingers lead required, its a good gauge for newcomers to the game and one i've adopted from an old pro shooter with great results, give it a go next time your out.

 

Martin

 

 

p.s. your absolutley right, my reference was to the int'l shooters, their loads are governed to produce as little a shotstring as possible, i beleive its to reduce any advantage of one shooter with one load over another, havong participated in these avents i can tell you there is a difference between them.

 

 

I was wondering how fast a standard clay flies (if there is such a thing).

 

I ask as I am trying to work out how far it will travel by the time the shot hits it (or in my case misses behind it).

 

Say a left to right crosser with the trap 35 yards away. I fire and my shot travels at about 1450m/s?

 

Also, how long is the shot string by then and what is the margin of error between the front of the string and the end?

 

I'm not planning on getting too technical but am interested in the figures.

 

 

thanks,

 

 

/Mad

 

 

D.T.L. clays leave the trap at 30mph, A.B.T. at45mph

[the last engineer]

D.T.L. clays leave the trap at 30mph, A.B.T. at45mph

 

and your point would be ???:no:?????????????

 

 

[pin]

Who cares trap shooting sucks

 

*tin hat on*

[the last engineer]

Who cares trap shooting sucks

 

*tin hat on*

 

 

its mostly noted for being akin to drywalling here Pin. shoot one fall asleep poke the guy next to you shoot one fall asleep,,,,,, blah blah blah blah

[Shootingman]

 

D.T.L. clays leave the trap at 30mph, A.B.T. at45mph

 

and your point would be ?:no:????????????

 

 

My point is, I answered the question ( how fast is the clay ), unlike some ,I don't take a set square, slide rule, calculator or theodolite to the clay ground, just a trap gun & cartridges, then when I see the target I shoot it, I find this approach also works for game

[the last engineer]

I was wondering how fast a standard clay flies (if there is such a thing).

 

I ask as I am trying to work out how far it will travel by the time the shot hits it (or in my case misses behind it).

 

Say a left to right crosser with the trap 35 yards away. I fire and my shot travels at about 1450m/s?

 

Also, how long is the shot string by then and what is the margin of error between the front of the string and the end?

 

I'm not planning on getting too technical but am interested in the figures.

 

 

thanks,

 

 

/Mad

 

 

RELAX,,, just kidding you big guy, but as you say you answered the question,,,,,,,, there were a number if you look again,,,,

 

how fast --- target

how far --- in terms of trap to shooter

how near --- margin error with string, concerning differing loads

how long --- do i go on joshin wiv ya

 

as far as speed of target goes, IT DONT MATTER A ,,,,,,, to me its a visual perception, eg how fast do i pick up the target, at what point does the target become clear, where is the target relevant to my pick up point and break point, what time do i have when my muzzle hits the target,my lead is set,and my eye gives me the ok to pull triggers, not forgetting to give myself an option that if all goes wrong and the target becomes critical where is plan "B" do i have a get out of jail card for a bad mount wrong swing or incorrect read.

 

you know the list goes on and on, each and every shooter tells a different tale as to how its broken.

get out there and enjoy it buddy

 

 

Martin

[monabri]

Dear Pin

 

Thank God it's not just me.

 

 

 

ps

 

I'm off now to my EA meeting (that's like the "A.A" but for engineers and scientists).

[Vegeta]

I'm also an engineer. ok so average speed is approx 30-40 mph

[Catamong]

I think the only thing this thread proves is that Pin can play good Golf, and I can't, it's that simple..!!

 

Stop worrying about how fast clays fly, it doesn't matter..!!

 

Cat

[peter-peter]

I was wondering how fast a standard clay flies (if there is such a thing).

 

I ask as I am trying to work out how far it will travel by the time the shot hits it (or in my case misses behind it).

 

Say a left to right crosser with the trap 35 yards away. I fire and my shot travels at about 1450m/s?

 

Also, how long is the shot string by then and what is the margin of error between the front of the string and the end?

 

I'm not planning on getting too technical but am interested in the figures.

 

 

thanks,

 

 

/Mad

you will drive yourself totally mad trying to work this one out,

the logistics are impossible1350/1450 fps is muzzle velocity as soon as the shot leaves the barrel it starts

it starts to slow at an undetermined rate. shot size wind all have to be taken into account.

if you are attempting to assess required lead.

let the clay start flying come from behind and as your button passes the clay pull the trigger and keep the gun moving , the gun should be travelling faster than the clay using this method.

if you shoot dtl you use the same principle vertically blot it out fire and keep swinging

[peter-peter]

I was wondering how fast a standard clay flies (if there is such a thing).

 

I ask as I am trying to work out how far it will travel by the time the shot hits it (or in my case misses behind it).

 

Say a left to right crosser with the trap 35 yards away. I fire and my shot travels at about 1450m/s?

 

Also, how long is the shot string by then and what is the margin of error between the front of the string and the end?

 

I'm not planning on getting too technical but am interested in the figures.

 

 

thanks,

In addition to my reply,

shot string .the tighter the choke the longer the string.

I have shot 23 out of 25 skeet using fulland full I put it down to shot string as against spread.

also swing the gun you get shot string going out and going accross.

when I coach i tell the novices dont shoot at the clay

spread out a carpet of lead for the clay to run into.

swing it man.

 

 

/Mad

 

 

I am an engineer and I have an enquiring and technical mind but the best solution is go out and shoot some clays at a practice ground where you can blast away at your hearts content, with out a pattern plate and a slow motion camera you are not going to see exactly what the shot string is going to do.

 

At 35 yards give it 3 foot of lead but dont stop swinging, if the clay turns to dust it has flown into the centre of the shot string, if the back edge has been chipped off you were slightly behind the clay, use these pointers to gauge lead on your next shot and dont forget your 35 yards and 3 foot of lead could be totaly different to my picture.

 

now even im confused i think the forum should have all engineers rounded up and forced to shoot a thousand rounds in a day, if that dont cure it another thousand the next day ,

 

when i out on the range instructing i often hear "give it 3 feet", my first question to them is how do you perceive 3 feet on a bird thats traveling at 60 mph at 35 yds ? each and every target's lead will vary through its flight, gauging a lead is the key to a good kill, for some reason most people use that term "3 ft" , and as you rightly said your veiw of the bird will be different from mine, one practiced method i do use is to gauge lead with your fingers, something you can actualy visualise, think of lead in the number of fingers you can see between your muzzle and the target

, onviously the more acute the target the more fingers lead required, its a good gauge for newcomers to the game and one i've adopted from an old pro shooter with great results, give it a go next time your out.

 

Martin

 

 

p.s. your absolutley right, my reference was to the int'l shooters, their loads are governed to produce as little a shotstring as possible, i beleive its to reduce any advantage of one shooter with one load over another, havong participated in these avents i can tell you there is a difference between them.

 

 

I was wondering how fast a standard clay flies (if there is such a thing).

 

I ask as I am trying to work out how far it will travel by the time the shot hits it (or in my case misses behind it).

 

Say a left to right crosser with the trap 35 yards away. I fire and my shot travels at about 1450m/s?

 

Also, how long is the shot string by then and what is the margin of error between the front of the string and the end?

 

I'm not planning on getting too technical but am interested in the figures.

 

 

thanks,

In addition to my reply,

shot string .the tighter the choke the longer the string.

I have shot 23 out of 25 skeet using fulland full I put it down to shot string as against spread.

also swing the gun you get shot string going out and going accross.

when I coach i tell the novices dont shoot at the clay

spread out a carpet of lead for the clay to run into.

swing it man.

 

 

/Mad

 

 

I am an engineer and I have an enquiring and technical mind but the best solution is go out and shoot some clays at a practice ground where you can blast away at your hearts content, with out a pattern plate and a slow motion camera you are not going to see exactly what the shot string is going to do.

 

At 35 yards give it 3 foot of lead but dont stop swinging, if the clay turns to dust it has flown into the centre of the shot string, if the back edge has been chipped off you were slightly behind the clay, use these pointers to gauge lead on your next shot and dont forget your 35 yards and 3 foot of lead could be totaly different to my picture.

 

now even im confused B) B) i think the forum should have all engineers rounded up and forced to shoot a thousand rounds in a day, if that dont cure it another thousand the next day ,

 

when i out on the range instructing i often hear "give it 3 feet", my first question to them is how do you perceive 3 feet on a bird thats traveling at 60 mph at 35 yds ? each and every target's lead will vary through its flight, gauging a lead is the key to a good kill, for some reason most people use that term "3 ft" , and as you rightly said your veiw of the bird will be different from mine, one practiced method i do use is to gauge lead with your fingers, something you can actualy visualise, think of lead in the number of fingers you can see between your muzzle and the target

, onviously the more acute the target the more fingers lead required, its a good gauge for newcomers to the game and one i've adopted from an old pro shooter with great results, give it a go next time your out.

 

Martin

 

 

p.s. your absolutley right, my reference was to the int'l shooters, their loads are governed to produce as little a shotstring as possible, i beleive its to reduce any advantage of one shooter with one load over another, havong participated in these avents i can tell you there is a difference between them.

this engineers going to the pub MY BRAIN HURTS.

[pin]

I think the only thing this thread proves is that Pin can play good Golf, and I can't, it's that simple..!!

 

Stop worrying about how fast clays fly, it doesn't matter..!!

 

Cat

 

You do yourself a disservice - time on the course is what's needed. From the brief afternoon I was out with you all the shots are there, like anything more time out there would bring it all together.

 

If you fancy another 18 all you have to do is say, I'll drive and pay this time

[Popgun]

Just swing past the clay and fire, you will soon get the hang of it

[pin]

For the record I have never had any success with this "swing through" method, maintained lead for me. Well, that or "just shoot" which is what I normally do, think about it and you miss

[Vegeta]

I just wanted to know how fast a clay flys. So if someone asks "How fast do the clays travel?" I could give them an answer instead of "I dunno "

 

Couldn't be ***** trying to use math to figure out how far to pull in front. Just wanted to be able to answer the question. I'm **** anyway, tried 50 sporting birds for the first time on saturday and only got 32 .

[Popgun]

For the record I have never had any success with this "swing through" method, maintained lead for me. Well, that or "just shoot" which is what I normally do, think about it and you miss

 

You are dead right to much thinking mucks up your shooting

[pin]

I just wanted to know how fast a clay flys. So if someone asks "How fast do the clays travel?" I could give them an answer instead of "I dunno "

 

Couldn't be ***** trying to use math to figure out how far to pull in front. Just wanted to be able to answer the question. I'm **** anyway, tried 50 sporting birds for the first time on saturday and only got 32 .

 

That's not ****, that's 64% which would be deemed very reasonable

 

Clays, depends on the trap and type of target. Anything from under 30mph to 70+

[Catamong]

The vast majority of good competition shots use the maintained lead method, i.e. you never let the clay overtake the gun, although this method is not taught by many shooting schools.

 

The swing through method is far more suited to live quarry.

 

Cat.

[Popgun]

The swing through method is far more suited to live quarry.

 

Cat.

 

I rearly shoot clays so i always use the swing through method

[humperdingle]

I use swing-through on everything except wabbits, very slow incomers and direct going aways. Works for me.

[Rascal]

I just wanted to know how fast a clay flys. So if someone asks "How fast do the clays travel?" I could give them an answer instead of "I dunno "

 

Couldn't be ***** trying to use math to figure out how far to pull in front. Just wanted to be able to answer the question. I'm **** anyway, tried 50 sporting birds for the first time on saturday and only got 32 .

 

I would call 64% **** that a reasonable score if thats your first time out on sporting.

[Vegeta]

I would call 64% **** that a reasonable score if thats your first time out on sporting.

 

cheers but I should have done better, only got 4 out of 10 at the last stand.

[Rascal]

I think we can solve this question of how fast a clay flys very easy... If you miss behind it is flying to fast, if you miss in front its to slow ... simple..!