Floating Chamber Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) The answer is so simple. A combined wad. Edited July 21, 2014 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 ok mr chamber going to work now then shooting *** speak to night very busy our George you no so owt you can tell me and ill pay you in proper cartridges looking for shops in your area free stock on sale or return only to good people though trying to give those midland people a run for their money want sum in your garage pay me when you sell them must go thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Glad someone else noticed that too, the rest of them wouldn't dare come anywhere near forums lest we ask difficult questions like the price of lead going down. Well it has been fairly steady of late, but in the past it has swung up and down dramatically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 thats just lead, most places buy into purchase contracts so prices will never match up a direct price. then there is processing, its a piece of pie, and people have a slice before it gets to us.... the consumer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 £1650 shot formed on the door ready to go sized from1.9mm to 3.3mm that's it done dusted finished tower dropped plus the vat of course that's it going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 £1650 shot formed on the door ready to go sized from1.9mm to 3.3mm that's it done dusted finished tower dropped plus the vat of course that's it going That is about $2800 - so basically a $600 premium for on top of the spot price for lead to take into account manufacturing costs, any cost of hedging future price increases, delivery, and profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 The only answer i can think of is a double sided wad, ie 2 powdercards sandwiching a fibre wad, you could load load them in any orientation. the card would be glued to the fibresheet, then punched out.... its just getting the fibre manufacturers to play ball on this. thats going to cost though. hey cookie I wish I could write like you you r very good but we cannot all be good can we ? now me ill go to work now make 1 ton of about 31250 carts be done at about 1 o clock and go and shut some pigeons have me jam and bread and flask train me little dog then finish when the pigeons tell me go back to work put in another hour making things ready for tomorrow and do it all again its awfull having to do this about 200 days a year any way I am bringing in my new friend mr figgy next week to have one day in my life with me we will develop some nice 28 gauge loads in fibre then go and shoot them pity you r so far away what a life I don't know how I do it that's it folks thanks george george, the main driver of purchases is cost. full stop. Thats it, everything boils down to cheap. i dont even think value comes into it thesedays. half the people dont know what they are buying, the other half have been brainwashed into thinking 1500fps is the bare minimum shell and thats what they buy, and the other half have a very educated guess. then there is 10% who cant count. Plastic is cheap, it can produce lower pressures, than fibre, produce quicker shells, and ultimately better consistency. something i try to do, but plastics win hands down. only until i started loading, did i actually work out that the big manufacturers are screwing us, its as simple as. the finest insults i have had when i was told that lead cost is driving up the price of steel cartridges. Then when i tried to buy some 1oz #6 shells, they tried to charge me £400/k. That was 5 years ago. this 29grams / 31grams loads are nonsense, absolute rubbish. all they are is out of specification 28gram or 32g loads. thats all. as a homeloader, that 1gram drop is a saving of £3, thats not even the cost of a coffee.,..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 George I use these from siarm in .410 some one makes them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Wow some interesting information on this thread and some strong views/opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aris Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) George Would live to see a video of your machine running each step of the way. Your old website had a video, not sure if it was your current setup. Can upload it to YouTube. Edited July 21, 2014 by aris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) George Just an idea have you gone back to the manufacture of the loading machine and ask them why the 4mm card goes on edge? they may have a solution after all if they sold the machine to you saying it works will all current fibre wad parts, Diana or Faye then you have reason to complain do you not? It may be only an ajustment is required to make it work. As for first post on this long thread for me if it is a fibre cartridge I want 99.9% fibre no 6.5mm plastic disc. * Cookoff how many half's make a whole? see below, 1/2+1/2+1/2+10% = lol half the people dont know what they are buying, the other half have been brainwashed into thinking 1500fps is the bare minimum shell and thats what they buy, and the other half have a very educated guess. then there is 10% who cant count. Edited July 21, 2014 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
affinity121 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Hi rbrowning2 its funny how you should comment on speed of cartridges. After trying lots and lots if clay cartridges I settled with hull superfasts until this weekend. I didn't have enough so bought a box of bargain basement hull comp x 28g fibre and I had far better breaks with them.. Super soft recoil so I can't complain. I don't process to be knowledgeable on this subject but I assume the speed increase of the superfasts may effect the pattern. From now on I will be using the cheap comp xs. As I can't complain with a round of 84/100 on sporting. I personally do like the way George is open on the forum and talks about many different things. I wouldn't mind a factory tour either I'd be like a kid in a sweet shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Hello affinity121 I was not commenting on cartridge speed just quoting from Cookoff post number 83. Personally speed is not the be all and end all of cartridges, pattern is more important, In fact for the same shot size a cartridge at 1500ft/sec will at about 35 to 40yds have the same velocity (and hence energy) as one fired at a much lower velocity say 1275ft/sec. But i am olde enougth to rember slow cartrdiges by todays standards. It is pattern and enery that kills you do not need big recoil and 1500ft/sec just sensible velocity and shot size appropriate to the task in hand. And yes all credit to George for being a forum member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 ok all im back and just in and hungrey the first thing is I love challenges and I love shooting if you ever say you cant do that to me its fatal coz ill be there like a rat up a drainpipe always remember that if somebody can do something so can you and if you want it long enough you will try that bit harder yes I took on the big boys single handed and a lot of people have took their hats of to me and said so be straight with people don't lie have a bit of banter yes but tell them what you think but never be defeated no body is as good as yourself tommy gets out of bed and puts his pants on so do you they are no different don't be beaten the first profit is always the best live and let live will honestly catch up with you lot soon but now I have a rush job and remember when I sell a person cartridges he did not buy them of anybody else little old George got him I cant fly a jumbo jet but in 6 months I could will catch up later for any replys phone is best 07714 323 909 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) George Just an idea have you gone back to the manufacture of the loading machine and ask them why the 4mm card goes on edge? they may have a solution after all if they sold the machine to you saying it works will all current fibre wad parts, Diana or Faye then you have reason to complain do you not? It may be only an ajustment is required to make it work. As for first post on this long thread for me if it is a fibre cartridge I want 99.9% fibre no 6.5mm plastic disc. * Cookoff how many half's make a whole? see below, 1/2+1/2+1/2+10% = lol half the people dont know what they are buying, the other half have been brainwashed into thinking 1500fps is the bare minimum shell and thats what they buy, and the other half have a very educated guess. then there is 10% +1 who cant count. edit in red Edited July 22, 2014 by cookoff013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 no because everything in this job is based on numbers the machine is brilliant in its self so if you load 1000 000 cases and one slips by under you how can I blame the machine its more likely to be the card the machine goes up and down with things attached to it at certain places then it is covered by sensors no question about the machine if I had wanted to go bigger I would buy sum more today the problem from my side is where that dodgy cartridge ends up it may be on a grouse more where the boys are miles from a cleaning rod or if things are happening fast and either the loader or the shooter has never had the experience of any malfunction before and he puts another one on top in the chamber with that stuck wad in there then it could be a hospital job so 500 percent in answer to yours above its not the machine fault yes it may be a million to one write to the big boys ask if they have ever had this problem and if they say no well draw your on conclusions basically if you produce 90,000,000 carts as some of them proclaim give them one in a million that means theres 90 going around out there here we are in 2014 ment to be going forwards not backwards to the 1950,s that's it no problem on the machine hey boys they tell me people r not watching coronation street now they have all been watching us any spies out there to tell me what the others r saying 250 carts reward plastic of course thanks all George any more carts with opturators been found??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 my sources tell me, to tell you "Get back to work !" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 hey mr floating chamber where have you gone you have a wealth of knowledge any way I gave you a offer to sell my cartridges and pay me later but I did not have any reply thanks George or any other shops in your area free stock pay later bet the others don't do that thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Sorry, I only come on here when the wife gives me time off from chores! George, good offer but I only shoot 50 a fortnight. My days of reloading and shooting are coming to a close. I am pushing 70 and suffer from arthritis. I use a .410 mostly, these days. On the subject of tipping cards, yes, it is a pain. However, I have seen transparent cases where you can SEE if the wads are correctly seated. I still think a combined, double-ended wad could be the answer. Edited July 22, 2014 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) George, you say 1 in a million slip by and result in a dodgy cartridge but how do you actually know how many unless like Floating Chamber suggests you use a transparent case and then physically eye ball every cartridge to check it is ok. It could be a lot more than 1 in a million and must be if you say you supply 30 000 to the grouse moor and they would return the lot if they get a dodgy one then that is only odds of only 1 in 30 000 otherwise they would be very lucky to get a dodgy cartridge at all. In fact if they are that lucky they can buy my lotto ticket. I am no maths expert but I am sure you can see what I am saying - would think the problem is far more frequent than 1 in a million. Otherwise if you supplied 30 000 each year it could take 33 and 1/3 years to find the dodgy cartridge i.e 1000 000/30 000 Edited July 22, 2014 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 hey mr floating chamber where have you gone you have a wealth of knowledge any way I gave you a offer to sell my cartridges and pay me later but I did not have any reply thanks George or any other shops in your area free stock pay later bet the others don't do that thanks george George do you have anyone stocking your cartridges around my neck of the woods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 sorry pest control have just had 2 very big orders in and can make them some to keep them going now Italy closing down you give them samples in april and they give you orders now 3 weeks before the grand day any way looks like you are going to be my man in Beverly tell others around you come up and I will give you 10 000 to be going on with ring 07714 323 909 thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 aris sorry for the late reply I have another website called we are not greedy .com I will see my man about uploading on there and you tube if poss it has been shortened as this was a show from bsn of Italy fully running I think about 25 mins but we shortened it to 6 mins I think thanks george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propercartridges Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 hi merry men again the opturators are by gulandi they come in a 10 000 box cant sell any now and I am not counting them out take a full sealed box but not till I would say till September yous lot are funny you tell me you want fibre now you want to buy them theres nowt queerer than folk they say cases try graham morris at fiocchi uk I also use chedditte of france wads I use cheddite b and p and guilandi also Diana and faye from france shot loccatelli tower dropped powder well that comes at different prices on what it cost to transport it over the water but it is best to buy in bulk say about 7 ton will cost you about £1 per kilo to move then your storage over here so there you have it so now you want to buy opturators I dont know!!!! be carefull george Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
langlands Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Fully fibre, or slightly fibre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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