fac variation

[kennett]

Putting in for a slot for HMR on my open fac, spoke to my feo earlier about someone else wanting to use me as their proof of experience, and he was running on about me needing to send land authorisation forms. Surely if I already have an open FAC I don't need to sent these again just for a variation do I?

[CharlieT]

Open or not, you must, to demonstrate your "good reason", supply details of suitable land for each caliber.

[kennett]

Ahh never knew that, cheers

[Rim Fire]

If the land you shoot on is rated for it then no reason to only reason is why you need a anouther one you dont say what you allready got

[kent]

There is nothing in law saying you need land authoriation forms. That said you have to show good reason and that you have land cleared for the calibre (or want them to clear some for it) or an open cert

[CharlieT]

There is nothing in law saying you need land authoriation forms. That said you have to show good reason and that you have land cleared for the calibre (or want them to clear some for it) or an open cert

 

An open cert does not do away with the need to demonstrate that you have somewhere to use it !

[kennett]

I already have slot for 22, have somewhere to use a 17, which is already cleared upto 308, and provided a farm name and phone number but apparently have to provide written authority from landowner. Never had written authority before

[Zetter]

I already have slot for 22, have somewhere to use a 17, which is already cleared upto 308, and provided a farm name and phone number but apparently have to provide written authority from landowner. Never had written authority before

 

I had this in Thames for my first grant mate. Provided land owners name, phone ect on my application but they asked at interview for a signed permission slip which the FEO took away a copy of. I checked with the land owner and he was never contacted so I think the written permission was taken as my good reason.

 

Cheers Neil

[Rim Fire]

Written authority dont mean nothing if not followed up by FAO and the fact you have an open cert means you allready have land cleared

[Kes]

 

An open cert does not do away with the need to demonstrate that you have somewhere to use it !

 

I thought so too Charlie, However where deer are concerned, a commercial market exists and you can often only stalk on paid stalks - certainly true in Cheshire which only has 'escapees'.

I have a .308 on open ticket without land but having done paid stalks and having had other centrefires. I can therefore shoot boar as its conditioned " deer and AOLQ".

So whilst almost always true, there are occasional exceptions.

[CharlieT]

 

I thought so too Charlie, However where deer are concerned, a commercial market exists and you can often only stalk on paid stalks - certainly true in Cheshire which only has 'escapees'.

I have a .308 on open ticket without land but having done paid stalks and having had other centrefires. I can therefore shoot boar as its conditioned " deer and AOLQ".

So whilst almost always true, there are occasional exceptions.

 

You are indeed correct.

 

We have clients who have used paid stalking with us as their good reason, but never come across it for a .17HMR although I'm not saying it could never happen !

[kent]

 

An open cert does not do away with the need to demonstrate that you have somewhere to use it !

 

Because you then have no good reason. What I am saying is if you had land cleared for a so called lesser calibre you will need it re-clearing or additional land that was cleared.

Sorry we both missed the points made by the other here on re-reading. You are correct of course open cert does not mean you have good reason, my point is there is nothing saying you have to have a land authorisation form. In fact when sent them five years ago at my previous to last renewal I sent them back un filled in after speaking to BASC. Although I know some who have given themselves a permission letter for their own farms to avoid hastle

Edited August 22, 2014 by kent

[kent]

 

You are indeed correct.

 

We have clients who have used paid stalking with us as their good reason, but never come across it for a .17HMR although I'm not saying it could never happen !

 

 

Most places that allow paid stalking are generally all too glad to give consent for free rabbit shooting with rimfires to paying clients and have handled quite a bit of this when I did a little guiding. I suppose there are a stack of stalkers out their with RF granted under such and no reason why one might not get rabbiting by paying for days I know a number of Landowners who offer rough shooting on a day basis

[CharlieT]

 

 

Most places that allow paid stalking are generally all too glad to give consent for free rabbit shooting with rimfires to paying clients and have handled quite a bit of this when I did a little guiding. I suppose there are a stack of stalkers out their with RF granted under such and no reason why one might not get rabbiting by paying for days I know a number of Landowners who offer rough shooting on a day basis

 

Ah, that's interesting, never thought of that. Might be a way to earn another shilling.

[kent]

 

Ah, that's interesting, never thought of that. Might be a way to earn another shilling.

 

Well if someone books morn and eve stalks its normally free but there is no reason why a guy shouldn't charge for Rabbit days and I am sure there will be many who take a guy up on such an offer (dog training days "experience with gun " are so much more profitable though)