Daveo26 Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Iv got some new land to go at that calls for discreet rabbit control. I think a silenced 12 would be the way to go. I know york guns do the stealth guns,and hushpower do them does anyone else make anything that's not £300-400 ? Iv heard talk of a 10" silencer for 12 bores from hushpower, But can't find any info on them, I can get a single baikal for £30 so an add on mod might be the answer? Any suggestions? Cheers Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Discrete calls for a .22 and nv doesn't get more discrete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plank06 Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Iv got a hushpower baikal 12 bore. Not as heavy as I thought it would be. Very quiet with eley hushpower subs. I think it was around £350 new, can't remember exactly though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Yeah true, and I'll be going down that route, only I'll be using fac air, But I need a quiet shotgun as back up when ferreting. Lost a few today out of all most impossible to find bolt holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) Iv got some new land to go at that calls for discreet rabbit control. I think a silenced 12 would be the way to go. I know york guns do the stealth guns,and hushpower do them does anyone else make anything that's not £300-400 ? Iv heard talk of a 10" silencer for 12 bores from hushpower, But can't find any info on them, I can get a single baikal for £30 so an add on mod might be the answer? Any suggestions? Cheers Dave I have a 10" silencer on an old single 12, and load subsonic loads, I have found it to be quieter than a standard 410 using 3" standard carts, available from Saddlery and Gunroom Kent, the full hushpower 410 with subs would be quieter Edited December 7, 2014 by islandgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Iv got a hushpower baikal 12 bore. Not as heavy as I thought it would be. Very quiet with eley hushpower subs. I think it was around £350 new, can't remember exactly though!Iv had a couple of hushpower .410s, one was with a 9" silencer and it was pretty good, Seen these cheap single 12 bore baikals and got thinking.... I don't expect it to be as quite at a fully modded one but if it's cheaper that would be better for me at the minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I have a 10" silencer on an old single 12, and load subsonic loads, I have found it to be quieter than a standard 410 using 3" standard carts, available from Saddlery and Gunroom Kent, the full hushpower 410 with subs would be quieterThat's the sort of thing I'm after, any idea how much they are? Their website isn't that clear, are they all removable ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Get mossberg hushpower 20 bore, fantastic, is my main gun I shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Get mossberg hushpower 20 bore, fantastic, is my main gun I shoot. Too rich for me at the minute mate, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 That's the sort of thing I'm after, any idea how much they are? Their website isn't that clear, are they all removable ? not cheap £160 yes removable, my thinking was the sub 12 gave a heavier payload than the sub 410 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 The .410 ones are £120 for the removable one and £75 for the fixed one...... Why can't they offer the same for the 12. Does anyone know of an alternative? not cheap £160 yes removable, my thinking was the sub 12 gave a heavier payload than the sub 410Could you put a picture up mate?Does it fit in your cabinet assembled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Do her self a favour. Reload for hushers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted December 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I can buy plenty of subs with cost of setting up for reloading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) there you go does fit in cabinet Edited December 7, 2014 by islandgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I can buy plenty of subs with cost of setting up for reloading I can recommend cookoff s subsonic recipes 32g of shot 17gn powder, take a look at utube reloading without a press very cheap start up, also I seal with glue, which seems to work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drut Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 I can buy plenty of subs with cost of setting up for reloading Have used silenced 12(Pedretti) since 2005 & cannot find sub to equal homeloads,may be different with add on silencer but drilled ports to barrel on full silencer gun cuts velocity.Also I prefer heavy loads of larger shot(4's)with subs,at the time I started re-loading(thanks for the recipes cookoff013) the only sub game carts I could buy were Eley 32gm 6's,although I believe 5's are now available,Although they patterned quite well they only chronoed at 920fps avg through my gun and restricted my usable range to the point I would rather use a slowish normal cart than them if I didn't reload, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted December 7, 2014 Report Share Posted December 7, 2014 Get a 410 then my man and put a can on the end, make sure it full choke though to get the kill at a nice Range! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 8, 2014 Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 I can buy plenty of subs with cost of setting up for reloading well actually i can really chime in on here. #1, homeloaded subsonics are cheaper. you can do the costings your self, but most reloads are £180/k, that is for premium hard #4 lead, vectan AS and new wads. this is the cheapest reloads and therefore offer the highest "value for money" and extreme value for money vs factory. #2 in the first production run, of 1000. the little lee loadall can easily pay for itself in the first 1000 shells. eley £277/k, if you have the equipment is a massive saving of £97, thats without any specials on or nonsense hazmat. so theoretically you can throw away 2 lee loadalls per 1000 shells. #3 the 28g subsonics are very good, and offer a very low recoil, and a friend has already tried them on game in #3 and was impressed. these subs because the speciality components, come in at just under the same cost as the 32g loads, because of a, specialised powder thats actually very economic, and b, an extra component (£10/k). #4 the other consideration is the quality of the subsonics. not all subs are quiet, its to do with the gas volume, saturating the moderator and maximum amount of gas the silencer soaks up before the gas volume can get to the muzzel and break the sound barrier. #5 it is even feasable that 36g subsonics can be made, and i`m trying to sort out that next. (again, normal components etc.) factory shells unavailable. #6 they pattern tight, so upping the shotsize is advisable to create a cartridge that is very usable in hushers and non hushed applications. sometimes reloading isnt the answer, its often romanticized that reloading is "well ace and solvs the worlds problems" but in this case it is beyond doubt that reloading is a reasonable thing to do. i like 4s and 2s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveo26 Posted December 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2014 Get a 410 then my man and put a can on the end, make sure it full choke though to get the kill at a nice Range! Iv got a little .410..... maybe that is the way to go, but its only 2 1/2" how easy are .410 to reload? that would be an even better saving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 2 and half inch no problem, I use lyalvale express 2 and half in, lovely and quiet cartridge and kill a treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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