reggiegun Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Thanks well known around here, it's not in Derby and proceed with care!! Oh right, cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterdave Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Oh right, cheers Look at the bottom of there web page, they have about 6 other websites that I know of, they claim to be main dealers for CZ, Hatsan, Henry, Ruger, and the guy operates out of his house so where does he store all of the guns ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 My 1894ae Are those Millet bases? If so they are top draw bases and rings but watch the screws are not impeding on the bolt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 I can personally recomend the winchester 1894 AE, mines never let me down and with a little polishing and deburing they run slick and smooth. I bought mine from a guy on here at a Rock bottom price who RFD it to me when I got it, it was absolutely filthy, it looked like it had never been cleaned but once I stripped it and put it through the ultrasonic cleaner it was better than new. I did however find that in its factory standard setup that the trigger was heavy and that it was a little stiff and bumpy on the cocking action, but as its a popular gun in America there is lots of good gunsmithing advice available and lots of aftermarket parts. What's the place in Derby called, would love to know? I love the 94ae action too. The trigger is stonable, done a few. Does your action stay shut? Or does it want to pop open as soon as the lever is touched? Also if in 357 there is a special spring screwed to the lever to aid controlling this small 357 case in this action. I have a couple if anyone needs one. The gun only needs it to top up the mag. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterdave Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Hi underdog My gun is in 38special/ .357 butI have only ever shot .357 out of it, I home load so I just set the oal to a 38 but the case is still sized at .357 lenth, not sure about this little screw your referring to but I'd like to know more, And the bases are leupold, medium height I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Leupold! Very posh lol. Yeah the 357 is on the small side for the Win 94 and to top up the mag a special spring is fitted to the lever to aid the loading gate in pushing the next round in battery back into the magazine so you can top up. Sometimes these little springs break. Normal operation is fine but short stroking the bolt to empty the chamber and then closing the action again stress the little spring so try to avoid short strokes, full operation all the time! Not all doom and gloom! The gun will still shoot with out it. U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted March 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 I like the look of this Winchester... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 I have underdogs old winchester 94ae 38/357,thanks again U. It runs and shoots great. Just done my first batch of home loads in 357 magnum and tested at 25yrds and getting a 2" group with 10 shots whith open sights freehand,so I'm happy. Testing at 100yrds Tuesday,I will shoot that of a bag to see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Lever actions encourage continued shooting without a break, so the shooter can tire. A quick three shots and put it down a moment then repeat is how I use to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I've got a Winchester 94ae in 357 too. I scoped mine,but with low magnification so its really just for aquiring a target. Accurate out to 100yds even with homeloads and great fun to use. The mounts i chose allow you the option to use the open sights too. Homeloading is where your savings come in though. I cast my own bullets (158gr RNFP) and am currently using 6 grains of Unique which makes for a accurate load and works out around £4 for 50x as the only cost is for the primer & powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 Never ever casted bullets, always admire them that do. Well done :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I have had a Marlin 1894cs for around 8 years, it's an older model, that's been tricked and slicked by SYSS. The only issue I have had after putter best part of a 2500 rounds through it is the two piece firing pin was worn and got soft primer strikes. I replaced it with a single piece firing pin (simple job) and it never misses a beat. The side eject of the Marlin makes it easier to mount a scope with low mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sco77w Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 I have had a Marlin 1894cs for around 8 years, it's an older model, that's been tricked and slicked by SYSS. The only issue I have had after putter best part of a 2500 rounds through it is the two piece firing pin was worn and got soft primer strikes. I replaced it with a single piece firing pin (simple job) and it never misses a beat. The side eject of the Marlin makes it easier to mount a scope with low mounts. Rascal, I have just put a 1 piece firing pin in my 1894c and it moves freely if you tip the rifle up or down you can see it move back and forth inside the bolt, the 2 piece pin had a spring stopping this from happening. Is this ok or have i done something wrong when fitting it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 The one piece pin should slide back and forth easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rascal Posted March 17, 2015 Report Share Posted March 17, 2015 Rascal, I have just put a 1 piece firing pin in my 1894c and it moves freely if you tip the rifle up or down you can see it move back and forth inside the bolt, the 2 piece pin had a spring stopping this from happening. Is this ok or have i done something wrong when fitting it? Yes that's fine, mine is exactly the same. The one piece pin should move freely inside the bolt (no spring). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted March 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Is that what you guys are talking about when you refer to problems you faced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Link don't work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted March 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Link don't work for me. It works fine here. It is an american website and they are talking about some feeding problems. Here is a taster Recently my win94 AE has started to feed cartridges out of the magazine tube under the carrier locking the gun up. Everything is clean and lubed, any ideas whats going on here?? I'm wondering if the stop on the end of the link is bad, it does not appear worn. I had the same trouble. They installed a new stop at winchester when I first had the problem. I later had one occure also with the new stop. Both times it occured I was working the lever really fast and both time I broke the lifter off. When I bought me last lifter it was from the outfit that Browning transfered all the factory parts to when they closed the New Haven plant. Rather than have the problem again and paying $35 for the part I sold the rifle. ame problem here. After ordering a new cartrige stop link, it still failed to keep rounds in the mag tube. Since I then had two of those parts that didn't work, I used my torch and brazed the stop up useing work hardening nickel silver rod. I then carefully shaped the stop with small fine files to the original shape plus a few thous in heigth and length. Made some dummy rounds with no primer or powder and tested for function. Now the rounds would drag on the stop coming out of the magazine tube so I slowly worked it down with a jewlers file until I got perfect function. It's been working great for three range trips now and approx 500 shots. There also is a small chromed sheet steel guide (?) attached to the lever that is only used on the 357s due to the narrower case. If it is bent at all it will also cause feeding issues. Order a few of them now while you can. It appears that the Model 94 Winchester and the .357 cartridge are not a good fit. Maybe it's just Winchesters quality control, I don't know for sure but I noticed that the sear is very soft. I'm guessing the carrier is the same. I've ordered a new carrier and the sheet metal cartridge stop from Browning and plan on welding up the old carriers stop and fitting it with a harder welding rod. The cartridge stop is only in the .357's and when it breaks it prevents you from adding ammo when the gun has shells in the mag tube. If I get another lever gun it will either be a '92 clone or a Marlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted March 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 On a different note, has Winchester stopped production on the 1894 AE in 357mag and .38 special? All I can find online new is 30-30 cal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Oh that, sure. That can and has happened on most the cal range of the win94! Including 30/30. Although designed for the longer rounds one thing one should never do is short stroke a 94 or be gentle with it! Emptying the chamber of a round but not lifting the next round (short stoking) puts extra load on the cartridge stop and mag cut off. If you want to empty the chamber with a mag full empty the chamber and the one on the carrier too. Swift motion forward and back and your fine. Marlins suffer too, 94 and 336 only though the win94 can be repaired as touched on in the quotes without buying parts. Edited March 19, 2015 by Underdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Here is some good info. http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27469 U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted March 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Oh that, sure. That can and has happened on most the cal range of the win94! Including 30/30. Although designed for the longer rounds one thing one should never do is short stroke a 94 or be gentle with it! Emptying the chamber of a round but not lifting the next round (short stoking) puts extra load on the cartridge stop and mag cut off. If you want to empty the chamber with a mag full empty the chamber and the one on the carrier too. Swift motion forward and back and your fine. Marlins suffer too, 94 and 336 only though the win94 can be repaired as touched on in the quotes without buying parts. That's great. Thanks. Any idea as to whether they still make them? I can only find them second hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 I think they are only doing expensive specials nowadays. The model 64 are the best shooters. I always wanted a 219zipper or a 307BB or a 356BB. Then there was the 444 version, black widow or diamond model. Stop it! U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted March 19, 2015 Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 That's great. Thanks. Any idea as to whether they still make them? I can only find them second hand... Far as i know-they stopped production of them back in the mid 90's. One thing which slicked my Winchester was using 'Frog Lube' on all the linkages and moving parts.Deffo recomend this stuff. http://froglube.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted March 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2015 Thanks guys. So that rules them out then, if I am to buy new. With (pre merger) Marlins going for circa £1100 second hand, a second hand Winchester at circa £900 is similar money for a less prestigious gun, no? Decisions, decisions, decisions. I did want to buy new though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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