quicksilver Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 does any of you guys know if the johnny stewart tapes or cd's are available in the uk. I have been having a look around the net for u.k. suppliers but have come up short. thanks in advance quicksilver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbus Polumbus Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Not as far as I am aware, you have to order it from the USA. I got mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cakie174 Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 CP Are they any good when you get them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbus Polumbus Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 I think so but I haven't had that much time to try it this year. They are reputed to be the best!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cakie174 Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 what kind of set up do you use them in. ie tape player, speaker, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quicksilver Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 cakie, i know your post was aimed aim at Columbus Polumbus i have a few ideas that may be of interest. Although i havent actually got the tapes yet , the theory should be the same. I am planning on using a simple walkman to play the cassettes and divert the output through a 12volt amplifier. I bought a kit from a local Maplins store ( similar to RS components) for a 2 channel transmitter and receiver. I plan to use the remote control to switch the tape player on and off. The output from the amp will feed an outside PA speaker. I am unsure as to go for the cd version of the crow calls or the tape. the reason being . if the cd is made up from tracks i.e. track 1 "excited crow" track 2 "crow owl fight" etc etc then it would be possible to use the remote to skip to the next track on the cd. so if one track seemes to be making the birds wary it would be possible to try another call without leaving the hide. regards quicksilver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hymax12uk Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 HI guys I bought the crow cd and all so the cd speaker booster set up. It came in its own water proof bag . You still need a cd player or caset player but when its all set up in the bag you just unravel the speker wire set the speker out (about 15m of wire )and of you go its very loud not had time to give it a try yet, but i am now on the look out to see if you can get a fox cd.Anybody seen one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quicksilver Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 try this link for the fox calls http://www.gamecalls.net/huntingproducts/foxcalls.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cakie174 Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Trying not to be too tight but is there anywhere on the web that we can download these tracks for free so at least we may sample them prior to sending to the US for them which may not be at all compatable for the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quicksilver Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 i was looking for a site over the past couple of days that would have them in mp3 format for downloading. I wasnt able to find anywhere except a site called findsounds.com. It was featured in a tech page from a guy that had details about building his own e-caller. If you search for crow sounds you will get hundreds. I know it is not the same ones as on the disk but it might give you some idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 try this link for the fox calls http://www.gamecalls.net/huntingproducts/foxcalls.html Has anyone had experience of trying these fox calls, i was thinking of getting the cd and maybe a caller. any advice would be helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quercus Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Not sure if gamecalls.net export outside the US anymore. allpredatorcalls is also worth a look. Service from them is excellent, although it looks like international orders aren't as straightforward as they used to be. Cabelas aren't the cheapest but they will export. Link for a cheap homemade caller here In fact the electronic caller forum at Predator Masters is a great source of information for anyone contemplating this sort of project. Although it sounds like some of you have already found it. It is well worth doing a google search for fox/crow sounds. There are some quite good ones out there for free. A word of warning to those of you contemplating calling crows, it is illegal to use a sound recording to call a bird in this country. I'm pretty sure that the Johnny Stewart tapes are recordings. Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F150 Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Like Q, I also believe it is illegal to use any tapes or digital recordings to call birds within the UK. I know for a fact that wildfowl cannot be called using this type of equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quercus Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 If the sounds are computer generated then they are fine, It's only recordings that fall loul of the law. This is the loophole that those little black box calls exploit. Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quicksilver Posted January 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 i remember reading a discussion i think on this board about the legality of the recordings. One member had phoned the basc for clarification and i think they said that vermin were ok but wildfowl and game couldnt be called with recordings. It would be nice to know the exact legality, so any one out there with the low down on recordings for crows and foxes please let us know regards quicksilver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quercus Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Wildlife and Countryside Act, Section 5 (1)(d) It is an offence to use as a decoy to kill or take any wild bird, any sound recording ........... No such restriction on taking mammals. Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbus Polumbus Posted February 2, 2004 Report Share Posted February 2, 2004 Doesn't included birds classed as vermin and whom have an general open licence Q. So crows would be ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quercus Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Col Pol, I emailed the Wildlife Administration Unit at DEFRA for some clarification on this. Reply: The General Licence WLF18 enables persons to kill/take (for specifiedreasons as listed) certain named species of 'pest' birds (including crows/rooks) by shooting,trapping or by any other method not prohibited under Section 5 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 Please note however that Section 5, paragraph 1(d) of this Act states that '' any person who uses as a decoy, for the purpose of killing or taking any wild bird, any sound recording or any live bird or other animal whatever which is tethered, or which is secured by means of braces or other similar appliances, or which is blind, maimed or injured, - shall be guilty of an offence and liable to a special penalty'' So it seems that unfortunately sound recordings for birds are a no no. Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon_decoyer Posted February 8, 2004 Report Share Posted February 8, 2004 Why would you want to call them in just use decoys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quercus Posted February 11, 2004 Report Share Posted February 11, 2004 Trying not to be too tight but is there anywhere on the web that we can download these tracks for free so at least we may sample them prior to sending to the US for them which may not be at all compatable for the UK. You might want to take a look at this: Western Rivers free sounds The sample clips are only three seconds long but when you download the full version they last for three minutes. The sound quality is comparable to the Johnny Stewart type tapes that would cost you $8.00 plus postage from the States. Don't be put off by the titles of some of the sounds, have a listen before you right them off, they may still be useful over here. My favourite Johnny Stewart tape is the "Yellowhammer Woodpecker" I haven't got a clue what one is but it draws foxes. Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quicksilver Posted February 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2004 thanks Q, i was able to download the crow sounds which let me test the e-caller that i had built. A tip if anyone is planning on using the sounds from the above site. In my e-caller i used a walkman as the player for the sounds, so the mp3 format from the western river site wouldn't be suitable for my player. I connected the ear phones socket of my computer into the microphone socket of my hi-fi and simply recorded the crow calls onto a normal tape. if you use windows media player then you can select repeat from the play menu and the track with loop around. This lets you record 60 minutes onto the tape from a 3 minute mp3 file. The sound quality turned out good but i need to find a more suitable speaker to build into the crow decoy. thanks again quercus for the link. I will let you know how it worked after the weekend. regards quicksilver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elma Fud Posted February 13, 2004 Report Share Posted February 13, 2004 Have you tried the American "E Bay" I have bought a number of items in the last month or two from the States. Especially since the exchange rate is so good. 1.86 dollars to the pound. It's easy to payfor if you use PayPal. When you are interested in a product and they state will only post to the States. Drop them a message to tell them that you are interested in their product. I've not had one refusal yet. It takes about 10 days for items to arrive. http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?q...01&BasicSearch= hope this helps. Elma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trufflehunting Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Doesn't included birds classed as vermin and whom have an general open licence Q. So crows would be ok Does anyone have any actual experiance of decoying crows using predator cd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pigeonbasher Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 regarding fox calling cds im! no expert but iv! recorded a cd on my computer just by sqeeling using the back of ur hand method &playing it on a walkman type cd player (the typ joggers use) with a minature speaker attached all as one unit in acompact bag sounds very good tryd it other day "pulling magpies like magic" never done any daytime fox calling but going to try it tommorow let u know how i get on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted March 16, 2004 Report Share Posted March 16, 2004 So lets straigten it out. It is against the law to take any wild bird using a sound recording. It is Ok to get mammals though. Correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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