Farma Geddon Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Not more or less slits Kent....... Slit to the base is the issue......... Factory loads are mainly half to 3/4 slit wads in steel loads[/quote It's common practice to add slits or reduce slits to effect pattern in hand loaded shells No doubt depth has an impact also Spreaders can also be added inside the wad though I have never tried it myself they are available So many factors why a wad might retain shot suffice to say it happens and represents another good reason to test shells in your gun and choke on a range and pattern board or plate before use Depth of split is the most important thing. If they are not deep enough ,your wad will not open sufficiently and will not release its payload. Therefore you will end up with pellets in the wad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
widgeon man Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 You can't add slits to a factory cart can you Kent?! I'm saying the OP's issue is was slitting depth.......... Factory carts are not always slit deep enough, though some brands are better than others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 You can't add slits to a factory cart can you Kent?! I'm saying the OP's issue is was slitting depth.......... Factory carts are not always slit deep enough, though some brands are better than others Got you I was speaking in general on the subject. Might ne worth looking up tjr last tomr I mentionef this and got a right old load of it doesnt happen etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Got you I was speaking in general on the subject. Might ne worth looking up tjr last tomr I mentionef this and got a right old load of it doesnt happen etc Come again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Come again Think he has been on the cider again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Think he has been on the cider again Alcohol and computers , a recipe for disaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 One could put a small card disc at the bottom to stop the **** inbedding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 No tinternet phone and fat fingers sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 That's what used to be done on fast steel loads but these are factory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 (edited) I've made wad cutters for BSN Loading machines, mainly with a rotary dial feed, and it looks as if there may have been some sort of obstruction. If that happens and the dial feed fails to rotate there's the chance of the punches coming in contact with the dial and being knocked 'up' in the punch clamp. This then becomes a fault of the operator in not checking depth of the wad cut when restarting the machine. I'd get in touch with the manufacturer. Those wads are cut 'short'! Edited August 20, 2015 by Paladin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydp Posted August 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I've made wad cutters for BSN Loading machines, mainly with a rotary dial feed, and it looks as if there may have been some sort of obstruction. If that happens and the dial feed fails to rotate there's the chance of the punches coming in contact with the dial and being knocked 'up' in the punch clamp. This then becomes a fault of the operator in not checking depth of the wad cut when restarting the machine. I'd get in touch with the manufacturer. Those wads are cut 'short'! I had a reply from the manufacturer today asking for some info. The gun used, batch number and the pictures I've taken. The woman that got in touch was from the UK but said she would contact the factory and get back to me. I contacted them through the RC website I'll keep everyone posted as to what they reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 2 3/4 Hope it's a batch problem because some of the kills were out at 60 or so yards which is better than I was expecting with steel shot. I've only been using it my last 5 outings or so. Here is your trouble pricking birds. 60 yards is a long way for any cartridge lead or steel to produce clean kills. Keep your range down to 45 yards and you should not have any more problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Range witj steel is limitef by striking velocity more yhan pattern. It drops off a cliff within about a 5 yard Window, for this reason I draw the range in a bit more say 35 yards, it might well work at a propet 45 yards but I have yet to see a range fimder used on a passing duck! Hence my 35 might be another mans 55? You cant even pace it afterwards like you might with a rifle due to the hypotenuse brimg longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydp Posted August 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Here is your trouble pricking birds. 60 yards is a long way for any cartridge lead or steel to produce clean kills. Keep your range down to 45 yards and you should not have any more problems. Range witj steel is limitef by striking velocity more yhan pattern. It drops off a cliff within about a 5 yard Window, for this reason I draw the range in a bit more say 35 yards, it might well work at a propet 45 yards but I have yet to see a range fimder used on a passing duck! Hence my 35 might be another mans 55? You cant even pace it afterwards like you might with a rifle due to the hypotenuse brimg longer The longer range birds I hit were more of an experiment on the day, just to see if it was possible and to my surprise it was. I took 3 shots at birds crossing the back of my decoy pattern and two were clean kills the other I missed. It was the birds over the decoys I was pricking and my furthest decoy from the hide is always 40 paces/yards p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Range witj steel is limitef by striking velocity more yhan pattern. It drops off a cliff within about a 5 yard Window, for this reason I draw the range in a bit more say 35 yards, it might well work at a propet 45 yards but I have yet to see a range fimder used on a passing duck! Hence my 35 might be another mans 55? You cant even pace it afterwards like you might with a rifle due to the hypotenuse brimg longer On the diamond white again , a bit early in the morning don't you think ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Blooming phone and fat sausage fingers! Rural broadband is a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 If you were pricking the closer birds then it may be that you are just catching them with the edge of the patten. Steel will patten tighter and you get far fewer flyer pellets than lead and it takes a time to learn that you must shoot a little straighter with steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydp Posted August 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 If you were pricking the closer birds then it may be that you are just catching them with the edge of the patten. Steel will patten tighter and you get far fewer flyer pellets than lead and it takes a time to learn that you must shoot a little straighter with steel. Its very likely your right. I'd imagine the pattern is pretty poor though seen as its missing shot. I was out on Saturday and gave the cartridges another go. Aware of the issue now i kept an eye on the wads. No wonder i couldn't find many when i looked for them in the pattern when i found the problem originally. Most of the bloody things were traveling well over a 100yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 Did you use a ported choke ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydp Posted August 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Bit of an update, well sort of. Today I used Rd to start with again getting pricked birds used half a box I had left in my box then moved over to to Express Supreme Game, what a difference lots of clean killls and plenty of good distance klills too. The most noticeable difference was the falling wads though. Express fall like little parachutes and the Rc are shot and lost into the distance. I got through 2 boxes of Express and then back to the RC. Again back to pricked birds. I have some pick of the wads from both Express and Rc now and it confirms what others said previously about wad slots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydp Posted August 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Express on the left RC on the right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
widgeon man Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 try the game bore and you will be more impressed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydp Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 try the game bore and you will be more impressed! It's getting them around here. Maybe could order in. I was happy with the express supreme game yesterday, they performed well. In fact I wouldn't of known the difference between them and lead if no one told me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Before last season I was told I was better waiting till August to get fresh shells in for the 12 this season apparently I am too late! Think I might have to load for the 12 as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Geddon Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Eley vip are very good too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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