treetop Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Ive contacted a friend who can make the ' tween dies' to neck down the brass He has quoted me a rough cost of £ 45 - 30 , depending on numbers made.. Is there anyone else who would be interested ? Anyone else make there own cases for 17 hornet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDaveO84 Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 I have a .17 hornet and I do reload it. Would be interested in learning how to form my own brass from .22, is it difficult? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Ive contacted a friend who can make the ' tween dies' to neck down the brass He has quoted me a rough cost of £ 45 - 30 , depending on numbers made.. Is there anyone else who would be interested ? Anyone else make there own cases for 17 hornet ? I dont own or ever havr owned a 17 hornet ( but experience loading 22 hornet) , but i felt motivated here, to mention an aspect that may be relivant to your sittuation or not as the case may be. But if i were you i would look further into this aspect of reforming cases esspecialy in a case like the hornet with a small case capacity. I used to reform .270 W and 3006 Spg cases for .2506 REM Standard .2506 cases had a slightly bigger capacity than .270 reformed to .2506, and 3006 had even less case capacity when reformed to 2506. Neck thicknes was an issue and the cases needed triming a lot of triming in the case of the .270. Neck turning was needed for proper neck tension and it was a lot of work for very little if any gain whatsoever. You may have allready looked into this and decided you are ok with it, in which case i am sorry to waste your time, just thought i would mention it in passing i did not want you to go spending 45 quid on a die only to find it was the start of more hastle than you wanted to face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 No issues with case neck turning it's a very thin walled case allready....I allready have the dies and a lot of people are starting to do them themself.....ha only need to neck down to .20 or there abouts and it will them go through a hornet die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 No issues with case neck turning it's a very thin walled case allready....I allready have the dies and a lot of people are starting to do them themself.....ha only need to neck down to .20 or there abouts and it will them go through a hornet die Fair enough i did say that it may be relivant to his sittuation or not as the case may be. And i am not bein obtuse when i ask this, but did you check case volumes of stock and downsized hornets? I am genuinely interested as a pouint of refference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 New brass is readily available for reloading, but quiet expensive, but as a suggestion. 1. Buy factory loads and plink them, then you have the brass, I reload the 17 hornet and when trimming to length, most cases don't have anything to remove from the neck. 2. Buy factory loads, pull the bullets and reload the brass with your own spec, reuse the bullet head you pulled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 As long as you reform to 17 then trim to 1.355" there should be no issues when fire formed - will let you know in a week or so how I get on. My annealer is built (thanks Old No_7 - you've been invaluable and incredibly helpful). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetop Posted March 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Hi, Yeah what has been said... Really easy & good results Take 22 hornet brass, neck down to .20, Then size in 17 HH fl die , trim to 1.355 Anneal shoulders / neck ... Then fireform Most get really good accuracy even when fireforming the case. Privi 22 hornet brass is actually slight larger capacity after fireforming than Hornady factory , Privi - 13.85gr Hornady 13.40 gr And both have the same wall thickness. Privi has a slightly larger flash hole. Some do use the 17 hornet seating die to start the neck ( down to .20 cal ) but it doesn't work with all dies ( like the telescopic Hornady seating die ) it crushes the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Its going to be ecconomical shooting reloading for one of those How much are bullet heads for them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetop Posted March 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Brass :- Hornady 17 hornet = £ 35 for 50 Privi 22 hornet = £ 21 for 100 .. Worth the work in my opinion! Bullet prices vary depending on your choice , but V Max are about £ 23 a box When you work out a powder load is around 10 gr , you should get roughly 700 loads out of a tub .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 I costed it out, but lost the paper. It wasn't a lot though, certainly bunny viable. You use hardly any powder, primers are cheap as you like (unless you opt for BR4's), PRIVI brass is cheap and fire forming loads can be used to shoot live quarry with. So buy 200 PRIVI brass, size and anneal (plenty of people don't bother annealing and still only get the odd split case or neck). These can be reloaded 4 or 5 times as long as you're not pushing for maximum velocities and are sensible about your loads. Plus, for the anoraks amongst us that like reloading and load development is represents many hours not having to watch TV. Keep an eye out for my DIY annealer post. It's finished and I owe huge props to Old_No7 without whom I would have been a bit stuffed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Brass :- Hornady 17 hornet = £ 35 for 50 Privi 22 hornet = £ 21 for 100 .. Worth the work in my opinion! Bullet prices vary depending on your choice , but V Max are about £ 23 a box When you work out a powder load is around 10 gr , you should get roughly 700 loads out of a tub .... Thats a big saving for a little work, i would be reforming if i had one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 Just did the calcs and (excluding the dies and annealing; dies don't really lose much in value, annealer I built myself) using CCI 450 primer, N120, Privi brass, 20gn VMax each round is coming in at 14p if brass can be reused up to 5 times. That's about half the price that I can buy shonky hmr ammo for and I should get better consistency, better accuracy, better range, same if not better terminal performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 how many is that for as my bullets alone cost £22 per 100 whats ya cost per 100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 Hang on, I think my math may be a bit off I did work out on a napkin in the pub at lunchtime! Let me try again in an hour or two after the bitter has worn off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 (edited) Sober it works out to 36.3p each, so £4.15 more than a box of hmr. Oh well Edited March 19, 2016 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 That's better about same as mine. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted March 19, 2016 Report Share Posted March 19, 2016 Rather than a "tween" die or messing with your dies, a few lads use a s/h .204 ruger die to step from .22 to .20. Might be worth doing if you can get a die cheap enough ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetop Posted March 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Yeah... Lol Too many pints ! The dies , yeah it's all about cost .... A tween die, if you can get enough of an order works out the cheapest , But as you say 2nd hand die comes close, Some do use the 17 hornet seating dies ( Redding ) but they are expensive .. If you have to buy one cos you all ready have dies There are options, it's cost that the issue .. There are some that would rather buy factory ammo & reuse , personally , where I shoot , I loose brass, not many but it adds up.. Also if your not careful when loading you can do the necks in , the 20gr are tricky, God knows why they didn't boat tail them !!! But that would be too easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetop Posted March 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I've just got back from working up a new load.. Imr 4227 , it's a good powder, temp stable made my ADI ( same as varget, 8208 XBR , ect ). I like it !!! No pressures signs & groups well , consistent speed at 3500 for 10.5gr , with fedral primers 20g vmax. Coal : 1.720 Plenty of room for more powder in the case, so I will try a load of 10.7 & 10.9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Ive contacted a friend who can make the ' tween dies' to neck down the brass He has quoted me a rough cost of £ 45 - 30 , depending on numbers made.. Is there anyone else who would be interested ? Anyone else make there own cases for 17 hornet ? Yes, I would want one... my trim and form die seems to crush the cases (20 crushed out of 26!) - it might be the lube, I'm using Imperial wax (which is normally bob-on) but might need to try the Lee lube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetop Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Ok.. I'll contact him about it & try to get an idea of lead time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I'd need it out of steel, lead will be too soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I would be interested in a die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Scratch that, after crushing 50 cases trying various things, I took the innards out of my Redding seating die and ran the cases into that to part neck the cases. I then used the forming die and I lost only two, the rest have been full length sized and are ready to be trimmed prior to fire forming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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