greenergp Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 I have been trying to do one of the 7/8 oz loads in the Cheddite manual, but i cant the case to crimp shut The load is: 70mm case, longshot powder, BPGS gas seal, B&P 24 wad, 382 grain shot, 10 grain buffer and an overshot card with a crimp finish. I have tried compressing the wad or removing the overshot card and they still wont close, i think if i took 10 or 12 of the shot out it might crimp but them it wont be a 7/8 oz load. Any other loads i have followed from the Cheddite book have loaded and crimped fine, its just the ones with the gas seal that cause me a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Sounds like a bpi special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 BPI can have their moments re accurate details, have you removed the gas seal see what it looks like then, it will change things but if you reduce the powder and creep up on the load it should be ok. What do you think they are using a seal for? To make up space in the case im thinking. Is the longshot charge low in the case is that their thinking.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joknob Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 that's all I use,but with m92s,24.5 gram,65mm case with bb or T shot and im Briley thro my browning 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) M92s is fantastic for little 24 gram to 32 gram loads wish we could still get it. These light fast loads were far more popular 10 years ago than they are today right accross the world in the states they had a bigger folowing but here less so, we never seemed to be able to leave the big magnum weight ammo behind as well as the yanks did and, we being a technical nation went with the science of high speed slows faster and speeds over 1500 1550 are about as fast as you ever practicaly need to go, all of this is of course true. But the fast light steel loads sill kill dispite the science thats stacked against them, Get a fast light load of Big steel like joknob mentions and put it through a terror choke a Muller UFO or a Briley IM and you have a decent chance of a neat tidy pattern of more than hard hitting steel that will kill geese at good range. The numbers dont look great on paper but in the field they are suprisingly good if you can find a load that patterns good. Dont shoot me im only the mesanger im just telling it like it is thats all, dont walk past light fast steel it can be and is well capable. And it kicks or rather it doesnt. Edited July 30, 2016 by TONY R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joknob Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 well put tony r. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK fowler Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 I have been trying to do one of the 7/8 oz loads in the Cheddite manual, but i cant the case to crimp shut The load is: 70mm case, longshot powder, BPGS gas seal, B&P 24 wad, 382 grain shot, 10 grain buffer and an overshot card with a crimp finish. I have tried compressing the wad or removing the overshot card and they still wont close, i think if i took 10 or 12 of the shot out it might crimp but them it wont be a 7/8 oz load. Any other loads i have followed from the Cheddite book have loaded and crimped fine, its just the ones with the gas seal that cause me a problem. if the load charge is around 34grains? Iv used this load from old BPI data with no gas seal or buffer as it did not ask for it . shot well too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 if the load charge is around 34grains? Iv used this load from old BPI data with no gas seal or buffer as it did not ask for it . shot well too +1 kills well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 vectan A1 could probably propel 24g steel shot at just about 1500fps at its top end at 740bar, maybe even 50fps more at 1050bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Cookie thats not bad speed for a fastish powder like A1, and even at 1050 its ok for a supermag, More speed would be better with these light loads, but 1500 1550 is not that bad and will pattern a bit tidier in most cases not as much faffing with different chokes etc as with 1600 1700 fps loads. Some work ok at faster speeds but tend to be trickier to pattern when they get much over 1550fps 1600 area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Cookie thats not bad speed for a fastish powder like A1, and even at 1050 its ok for a supermag, More speed would be better with these light loads, but 1500 1550 is not that bad and will pattern a bit tidier in most cases not as much faffing with different chokes etc as with 1600 1700 fps loads. Some work ok at faster speeds but tend to be trickier to pattern when they get much over 1550fps 1600 area. yeah, i`ve been testing a while ago. i`ve got some stuff to sort out and i`ve got a huge nontoxic project to do. i should get some data from all nontoxicx and toxic ammunition. i just need to neaten somethings up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 yeah, i`ve been testing a while ago. i`ve got some stuff to sort out and i`ve got a huge nontoxic project to do. i should get some data from all nontoxicx and toxic ammunition. i just need to neaten somethings up. INT it fasinating shotgun reloading, i never get bored messing about with it do you,? If i could i would play all day with various loads and never get bored. Starting patterning up and final chronoing all i have been pressure testing this summer next couple of weeks i have big hopes for a TSS load in the ten and two copper loads in the ten and a 12, pluss some steel loads that are modified versions of my own and a few well established loads .. should be intresting ill post some patterns data on pressuresc and load data as i run them at the pattern sheets. Somebody might find something intresting they might want to try who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 INT it fasinating shotgun reloading, i never get bored messing about with it do you,? If i could i would play all day with various loads and never get bored. Starting patterning up and final chronoing all i have been pressure testing this summer next couple of weeks i have big hopes for a TSS load in the ten and two copper loads in the ten and a 12, pluss some steel loads that are modified versions of my own and a few well established loads .. should be intresting ill post some patterns data on pressuresc and load data as i run them at the pattern sheets. Somebody might find something intresting they might want to try who knows. yeah, i just do internal balls. as soon as it leavs the barrel its all open to interpretation. i do try to keep my feet on the floor. ie cost and etc... the tss is a great shot medium, it just doesnt need a trillion fps, 1300fps all day everyday. its beats lead hands down all the time. like for like, pound for pound, #6 for #6. as the tss is bringign the subgauges back, i would be hesitant to use it in the 10, just because it`d be £10 a shell. not only that, 10gauge has a real low "saami pt max", but it has the same 1050bar ptmax with HP ammo (cip) (i just checked it). i dunno what to think really, when i did my 25g steel vs 35g lead it jumped 120bar, but the same concept with tss should mean, 50grams of shot. and should energy deplete that powder ie, burn clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 yeah, i just do internal balls. as soon as it leavs the barrel its all open to interpretation. i do try to keep my feet on the floor. ie cost and etc... the tss is a great shot medium, it just doesnt need a trillion fps, 1300fps all day everyday. its beats lead hands down all the time. like for like, pound for pound, #6 for #6. as the tss is bringign the subgauges back, i would be hesitant to use it in the 10, just because it`d be £10 a shell. not only that, 10gauge has a real low "saami pt max", but it has the same 1050bar ptmax with HP ammo (cip) (i just checked it). i dunno what to think really, when i did my 25g steel vs 35g lead it jumped 120bar, but the same concept with tss should mean, 50grams of shot. and should energy deplete that powder ie, burn clean. Good thing is about TSS is its not needing fast speeds or super slow progressive powders if you dont want to use them, its low volume by weight equals low pressure and add to this the mass, the ten really is a waste of space in fact its anoying, and who wants a 3 oz load of TSS BBs flying about, its over ..... Well over everything and in every way, over priced over gunned whatever, and remember you can still miss and it dont kill all of them dead despite its physical properties. In reallity we all must clearly see steel kills far better than its numbers crunched ever say it should, its not great but it works, and there are people who never ever shot a duck or a goose with lead in their lives, they must look on in dissbelief at the Steel is not up to the job brigade and their old lead pushing ideas, of course leads better no denying that, but steel works and it works pretty good if you try a bit with it, and get it patterning nice in your gun. getting out killing birds thats the thing, thats always better than crunching the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 getting out killing birds thats the thing, thats always better than crunching the numbers. 100% agree with that statement This might go down like a " Lead Balloon " But " Just because I can don't mean you can and because you can't don't mean I can't " meaning we ALL have different skill levels of estimating Range and shooting abilities. Steel Shot if put in the right place kills and kills well also you don't have to use Big shot as some will have you believe to cleanly kill Geese or Ducks. I'd love a £ for every Goose I've shot with Steel Shot from a 20ga. Roll on September as I've got some New 20ga and 12ga Steel loads to try on the Greylag and Canada before the mid September Pink's. Good luck to one and All most of all be safe respect the Quarry you pursue others shooters out and Enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joknob Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 getting out killing birds thats the thing, thats always better than crunching the numbers. 100% agree with that statement This might go down like a " Lead Balloon " But " Just because I can don't mean you can and because you can't don't mean I can't " meaning we ALL have different skill levels of estimating Range and shooting abilities. Steel Shot if put in the right place kills and kills well also you don't have to use Big shot as some will have you believe to cleanly kill Geese or Ducks. I'd love a £ for every Goose I've shot with Steel Shot from a 20ga. Roll on September as I've got some New 20ga and 12ga Steel loads to try on the Greylag and Canada before the mid September Pink's. Good luck to one and All most of all be safe respect the Quarry you pursue others shooters out and Enjoy nice one,might see you down the bombing range,we,ll have to meet up craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 100% Graig definitely as soon as them Pink's show I'll be at em lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pestcontrol1 Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 nice one,might see you down the bombing range,we,ll have to meet up craig I am defiantly pink hunting this year we will have to get that morning sorted out with ayano3 got to get my first pink this season lol. Hope your keeping well Craig and are ready for the start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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