LucassDouds Posted August 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Yeah my other option was the Armsan A612... Decision time Cheers for everyone's input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caravanman Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 I really don't find recoil an issue with the SXP. I shot a Supernova and a Berretta Extrema the other week and would say they kicked more. The owners of those guns tried the SXP and said it felt the same. All using 32g loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Sx3 all the way you won't regret it mine been fantastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucassDouds Posted August 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 I've got the chance at a SH Beretta 302 for around the same price I wanna spend, but I don't think they're 3inch are they? Would that still be any good for wild fowl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 302s awesome guns but although they do magnums they mostly turn up in 70mm, they are great guns though, and handle steel just fine. Dont know anything at all about armsan 612s never even seen one, If your buying cheap and you want a true 3.5 inch semi auto buy a Baikal MP153 they stand the test of time and tide and are half the price of most mainstream 3.5 inch guns, the Hatsans are ok too, but of the two and two of my lads have new 3 inch escorts .. the baikal is better stronger and they are reliable. SX3s are good for the money too ,but more than the Baikal and in my opinion not just as ultimatly reliable, the SX3 can and do break those gas piston springs, the Baikals tend to break nothing in my experience, but maybe i just got a good one i dont know, but i do know if i was dropped off in alaska to live off geese for a month an needed to sellect one gun it would be the MP153 im that confident in their durability, and the older mine gets its 11 years old now the more it apeals to me as one tough old gun, not pretty but hell she can cook. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucassDouds Posted August 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 302s awesome guns but although they do magnums they mostly turn up in 70mm, they are great guns though, and handle steel just fine. Dont know anything at all about armsan 612s never even seen one, If your buying cheap and you want a true 3.5 inch semi auto buy a Baikal MP153 they stand the test of time and tide and are half the price of most mainstream 3.5 inch guns, the Hatsans are ok too, but of the two and two of my lads have new 3 inch escorts .. the baikal is better stronger and they are reliable. SX3s are good for the money too ,but more than the Baikal and in my opinion not just as ultimatly reliable, the SX3 can and do break those gas piston springs, the Baikals tend to break nothing in my experience, but maybe i just got a good one i dont know, but i do know if i was dropped off in alaska to live off geese for a month an needed to sellect one gun it would be the MP153 im that confident in their durability, and the older mine gets its 11 years old now the more it apeals to me as one tough old gun, not pretty but hell she can cook. :lol: So although good guns would you say no to using a 302 for wild fowl? I'll look into the Baikal now, sounds good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caravanman Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 For £350 you won't go wrong with an SXP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucassDouds Posted August 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 For £350 you won't go wrong with an SXP Yeah I'm going to look at one on the weekend bud it's the only way I'll decide.. I've got the chance at a 302 and an a300 outlander both for 400ish off a mate So I'll go see em all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 So although good guns would you say no to using a 302 for wild fowl? I'll look into the Baikal now, sounds good! Well they will work like any gun will for ducks and geese, but you are restricted to 70mm cases or 76mm if you find a magnum, they exist but not as common. You can get away with 70mm if you have to but the 3 inch is realy where you need to start to kind of cover most areas of wildfowling, and the 3.5 inch is an help too if only for the extra pressure you get to use for steel. But you dont need anything more than a 70mm if you dont want too, its personal choice, but you will have to invest in TSS or similar to cover all the bases comfortably, But you could do it with steel but you might be letting a few more shots go by restricting yourself to just 70mm ammo and esspecialy if your running just steel, but it can be done with 70mm guns its down to the individual what they will acept as suitable, and what compromises they are prepared to make. As for Baikals like i nsaid i rate them as a fowling 12 bore semi myself mine as been just fine ill never sell this gun either now too many memories with it to ever consider that. i cant say that about any of the much higher priced guns i have had in the past. Dont let me steer you away from the SXP that was not really my intention, the winchesters sound a great gun, some active fowlers on here seem to be running them, thats recomendation all by itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm in a teacup Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 I have an SXP wildfowl that I use on the foreshore I love it for the money, it's only done a season but has been faultless. The next fowling gun I will buy will be a baikal semi as I hear lots of great things about them (not because of anything wrong with my SXP and I won't be getting rid of it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caravanman Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 Never got the chance to pattern the heavy loads but was out after crows in some very heavy showers today, gun got soaked and muddy but just wash it down and let it dry. Tried a 3.5 42g BB Mammoth and the recoil was fine, pump cycled all the way back. Crow didn't like it though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucassDouds Posted August 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 Never got the chance to pattern the heavy loads but was out after crows in some very heavy showers today, gun got soaked and muddy but just wash it down and let it dry. Tried a 3.5 42g BB Mammoth and the recoil was fine, pump cycled all the way back. Crow didn't like it though! Haha I bet it didn't pal! I'm going to have a look on either Friday evening or Saturday morning.. Gonna have a feel of em see what I think 😬 It's exciting choosing new guns lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 3, 2016 Report Share Posted August 3, 2016 I would choose a semi over a pump for wildfowling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roostshooter1 Posted August 4, 2016 Report Share Posted August 4, 2016 I would choose a pump over a semi as semis jam up more on the foreshore Benelli super nova is the best out there for a pump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 4, 2016 Report Share Posted August 4, 2016 I would choose a semi over a pump for wildfowling. probably, but the simplicity and "value fe money" the pumps are hard to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 4, 2016 Report Share Posted August 4, 2016 In all honesty i can only remember one jam with a semi auto in wildfowling due to it getting ingress of in that case sand in the action. Even in thick mud sitting in creeks in chest waders never had any issues ever, there is wind and rain snow sleet you do get debris blown about you see the odd bit of grass on the side of the bolt, you have to flick out but even then never had a jam, Now the sand jam was another league altogether, it was at glen luce was blowing a gale the sand off the shore there was litteraly feeling like i was being sand blasted it physicaly was uncomfortable to be there, i covered my face with a face veil but it made your eyes sore it was so fierce. Had my old Ithaca Mag ten back then, and it got sand in the action frame was a total no go opperating the handle was evidence if you needed any shooting it would not end well, stripping it and cleaning it in possition was not an option, given the weather conditions and the location, Had no option with that gun to call it a day, but these conditions are rare but can happen, keeping the gun covered could have helped perhaps that day, but how much effort do you put into doing this is up to you. I dont think any pump would have faired any better in those conditions the outcome would have been the same. The idea often bandied about by advocates of the pumps a bit more mussle makes them function when clogged up, is i feel irellivent in this sand blown scenario, i deffy and pump user to feel the grinding senssation as they move the guns forearm to eject the round to go through a full stroke. Its obvious its not a good idea. Call me a sofftie if you like but when sand is like that with strong wind and light rain it gets and sticks everuwhere, it was a true nightmare for this type of gun, and even doubles most probably could get sand on the action frame face making closing the gun fully a potential problem. Im not against pumps in any way i like them, but some do tend to lay the jam on a bit thick metaphoricaly speeking when talking about how good they are compared to semi autos in adverse conditions. In truth the real difference is one you have to pump one you dont, and one will cycle anything as it dont relly on gas pressure or inertia to function, just good old mussle power. so at best the real world differences are marginal. very marginal, and the reduction in felt recoil on most semi autos is a welcome feature and kind of balances the will cycle anything of the pumps quite nicely, there really is nothing in it, its down to the individual at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucassDouds Posted August 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 Well after all that... I've decided on a Browning Maxus 😬✌🏼️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TONY R Posted August 7, 2016 Report Share Posted August 7, 2016 Well after all that... I've decided on a Browning Maxus ✌️ Thats the way it goes sometimes, all the best with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 Well after all that... I've decided on a Browning Maxus ✌️ got rid of the SXP for a Maxus, never looked back, Had it a few years with no jams, apart from when I got seaweed up the magazine.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucassDouds Posted August 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 got rid of the SXP for a Maxus, never looked back, Had it a few years with no jams, apart from when I got seaweed up the magazine.... So I take it you rate it...? I picked one up on Saturday and for the price I just think it seems a cracking bit of kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 So I take it you rate it...? I picked one up on Saturday and for the price I just think it seems a cracking bit of kit Yep, very much so. I use it for everything, but it's really my wildfowling gun, use kicks highflyer and patternmaster chokes in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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