benellirocks Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 not sure about uk firearm laws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Most of us know what the laws are like... B) ..but basically they are there to stop any Tom, **** or Benellirocks from going shooting without first making sure they know what they are doing. B) B) G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russuk Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 I think the important word you use here is responsible. For every 100 of us who are, it only takes one who isn't to ruin it. Can't see how any of the laws are useless, time consuming maybe. But they're making sure that only the correct people, are shooting in the correct places. You say this is a discouragement, if anything I'd be encouraged by the fact that if all's well my fellow shooters are safe, legal shots. What are the other reasons discouraged from taking up rifle shooting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Bear with it for a few years on approved land/target ranges then ask for an open cert. Can generally get them after 3yrs. I'm not too fussed by our laws, like it has been said...they're there for a reason. Least it's not as rigorous as other parts of the EU as discussed on another thread - 1 or 2 year course with exams etc before they approve you! B) Consider yourself lucky! B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benellirocks Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 another thing is that i dont want to pay 25 pounds just to get a variation for the slightest change in calibre ie:already using a .22rf but want a .17hmr. it just dont help does it. maybe it would be better if you could just be allowed any calibre because i dont believe that a calibre of a gun is more dangerous it is the person using it. one other thing is that i might be using a .22rf and want to use a 17hmr on the same piece of land you might as well just be allowed any calibre of gun on each bit of land and like i said any responsible rifleman will only take a shot from any gun even a shotgun as long as the background is suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 another thing is that i dont want to pay 25 pounds just to get a variation for the slightest change in calibre Whether your safe or not though the police need to know what you hold, and I know that shotgun variations are free (at the moment? ), but all this admin comes at a cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Well I hope you don't come across to firearms officers as being as impatient as you appear to be. The laws are there for a reason. Going from shotgun to firearms is stepping into a different league. Be prepared to jump through the hoops we have had to and smile when you're doing it. B) As for variations, they cost if not 1 for 1. You'll just have tolive with it. dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Well put Dave. Remember, in this country it is not our right to own firearms like in the USA, we are granted permission. If that means jumping through hoops to provide evidence that we are safe, capable and responsible shooters, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 I'd rather he didnt by the sounds of it. I thought that but was too polite to say so B) Why's your avatar got a flag stuck out of it's a r s e?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 I'd rather he didnt by the sounds of it. I thought that but was too polite to say so :good: Why's your avatar got a flag stuck out of it's a r s e?? B) B) B) :o :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Rules are made and we have to abide by them. Although we may grumble from time to time about the bureaucracy and the time taken to grant our fac's we shooters are a laid back sorts and take it all in our stride. A few quid for a variation so that we can treat ourselves to a new rifle is inconsequential to the pride of ownership of a new gun. I see from your post pictures that your choice is some sort of camo shotgun. Being an old fool who has been shooting for over 50 years and only just come to terms with black and stainless rifles I am always suspicious of people with a camo fetish and from the sound of your posts my suspicions are founded. I sincerely hope that you decide not to get into rifle shooting because our sport can do without wingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Being an old fool who has been shooting for over 50 years and only just come to terms with black and stainless rifles I am always suspicious of people with a camo fetish and from the sound of your posts my suspicions are founded And that's what you call a generalisation! B) I have a black synthetic semi auto... B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradders Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Sounds like a wind up if you ask me. Just someone trying to provoke a reaction. But then again I might just be an old 43 year old cynic...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Oly Don't tell anyone but I have a black T3. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Don't tell anyone but I have a black T3. You neanderthal!! B) B) B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popgun Posted June 9, 2007 Report Share Posted June 9, 2007 Sounds like a wind up if you ask me. Just someone trying to provoke a reaction. But then again I might just be an old 43 year old cynic...... I think the boys taking the pi** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benellirocks Posted June 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 your right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...sult_type=posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootit Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Interesting reading, this comming from one US citizen. Things are vastly different between our two contries in some respects. One of them is not the people involved. I am surprised how much your interests in rifles and shooting are similar to ours. A little dismayed at the difference in laws. I would probly have some things to say over a beer that I would not type here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Interesting reading, this comming from one US citizen. Things are vastly different between our two contries in some respects. One of them is not the people involved. I am surprised how much your interests in rifles and shooting are similar to ours. A little dismayed at the difference in laws. I would probly have some things to say over a beer that I would not type here. Things like where you are maybe?? How about filling your profile in? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edfire Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 i personally think the laws in the u.k are quite sensible (appart from the pistol ban of course),you only have to take a look at places around the world with little or no legal requirements to own a gun such as the u.s and south africa to realise that the must be some form of control.just think how many idiots there are in the world the thought of them being armed scares me.over the years ive seen some incredibly stupid behaviour carried out by idiots with airguns,if theyd been firearms i would have no doubt they would have been fatal injuries.one thing a lot of people forget is that guns are primarily weapons.it seems only fair that we are checked out somewhat to see our suitability and reasons to own such devices. when i went to bisley recently for my first time i felt confident and safe because i knew that everyone there had been checked out and knew how to behave sensibly and safely with a firearm it only takes one idiot to ruin it for everybody i love shooting and have done vairous forms of shooting since childhood im about to go for my f.a.c i think the law is quite reasonable..ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 i personally think the laws in the u.k are quite sensible (appart from the pistol ban of course),you only have to take a look at places around the world with little or no legal requirements to own a gun such as the u.s and south africa to realise that the must be some form of control.just think how many idiots there are in the world the thought of them being armed scares me.over the years ive seen some incredibly stupid behaviour carried out by idiots with airguns,if theyd been firearms i would have no doubt they would have been fatal injuries.one thing a lot of people forget is that guns are primarily weapons.it seems only fair that we are checked out somewhat to see our suitability and reasons to own such devices.when i went to bisley recently for my first time i felt confident and safe because i knew that everyone there had been checked out and knew how to behave sensibly and safely with a firearm it only takes one idiot to ruin it for everybody i love shooting and have done vairous forms of shooting since childhood im about to go for my f.a.c i think the law is quite reasonable..ed You may like to think, that. However, this year I must have been to Bisley something like 25 times and in that time I have personally witnessed two Neglient Discharges and had one bloke point his loaded gun at me, because he suddenly needed to talk to his wife, who was on the peg to his left, after making his gun ready! Bloody idot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edfire Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 wow im not suprised you think that,sounds like an idiot to me as i say im still fairly new to "real rifle" shooting and yet have not experienced stupidity of that magnitude yet.i was told of one of our club members who had done such a thing twice at bisley and is on his final warning.personally i dont like the guy much i try to avoid using our club range when he's on,as ive been warned by other members of his careless nature although personally ive never seen him do anything that stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham M Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 this year I must have been to Bisley something like 25 times and in that time I have personally witnessed two Neglient Discharges and had one bloke point his loaded gun at me, because he suddenly needed to talk to his wife, who was on the peg to his left, after making his gun ready! Bloody idot Do you remember the eejit who put a 7.62 round through the side of his caravan whilst he was inside supposedly cleaning it. Now THAT is what I call unbelievably stupid. G.M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEFTY478 Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Do you remember the eejit who put a 7.62 round through the side of his caravan whilst he was inside supposedly cleaning it. Now THAT is what I call unbelievably stupid. G.M. No, I didn't hear about it- I didn't mean to confuse, but the things I witnessed was on NSC traps with shotguns, not the full bore ranges - I haven't shot on the Bisley rifle ranges since 1993, when I was still in the mob. That is deeply un-impressive! Caravans' not normally considered very good back stops! Seriously, the lack of basic safety skills is worrying. I gave my wife proper Skill-at-arms lesson evenings', in the lounge for a fortnight before taking her shooting. It may have been excessive, but she is both safe & confident in her ability, to be safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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