Shockin pictures from the flooding up north

[Oly]

they could of course try and stop building on flood plains. This level of rainfall isn't that unusual its just we've screwed up the natural mechanisms that used to deal with it

 

It was called PPG25 - a document which said don't do it but gave no teeth to scare the local planners with. HOWEVER...Jan 07 brought in PPS25 - which is a revised (and better) document which gives teeth to stop such development. The local planners can still try to overule it but if they do they will end up in court.

 

The government is trying to stop this stupid development, and remember that any planning permissions issued pre Jan 07 are still valid, but give it a year and then no more development should be in the flood plain without due consideration/building design to mitgate for flooding.

[Oly]

This was one of my last big jobs as it was subsiding - managing the breaching of the defences to let the water back out Carlisle Jan 05, 1500 cumecs (cubic metres per second) of water flowing through the city in the dead of night, pitch black (all electric out), silent (3000 homes evacuated), no phones (even mobile masts were down), 3 dead and the largest recorded flood on english record (1 in 175 year return period)

 

[al4x]

as ever by now its too late, gets right on my tits all this moaning about Global warming causing events like this. Same with Boscastle it does happen not often but has done over history, we've just made it far worse by tarmacing and building over everywhere and improving drains so water gets straight into rivers.

[Oly]

as ever by now its too late, gets right on my tits all this moaning about Global warming causing events like this. Same with Boscastle it does happen not often but has done over history, we've just made it far worse by tarmacing and building over everywhere and improving drains so water gets straight into rivers.

 

 

But global warming is meaning that we ARE seeing these a lot more frequently and out of season too. Admittedly tarmacing etc does make it worse too though!

[pin]

Its the same degree of self importance we place on ourselves, we consider everything in terms of our life span, not the life span of the planet. This will probably happen every so often, sometimes a generation or 4 might miss out, sometimes they don't. "how can this have happened?" "why were we not warned" "nobody is telling us what to do"

 

No disrespect intended to those who have lost loved ones or their livelihoods intended, just stating a fact.

[badgerman]

Looks like the damage may run into hunderds of pounds

 

 

Hundreds of pounds?

 

BBC recon hundreds of millions

 

Whoosh!

 

thats brilliant.

[Oly]

It's true Pin. Moreover though when massive flooding occurs people are generally very good about it (considering!), but regular small scale flooding people just want to know where to send the bill. They don't like being told about acts of god, but that's what it is unless you can prove detrimental flooding to your property as a result of development elsewhere (which is often done.)

[Cranfield]

They have been blaming "building on flood planes" in the media, but looking at the TV news, it seems as though most of the properties seriously affected were quite mature, certainly over 20 years old.

[al4x]

the problem is if you build on flood plains up river it means the effects are magnified as you go downstream,

[JJaxeman]

"Here here.

 

You build a house on a site that would regularly flood and turn into a bog for a few weeks in Winter, what do you expect when there is an abnormal amount of rain as sometimes does naturally occur in Summar (prior to our invention of global warming)."

 

 

 

Couldn't agree more Mungler same happened down here a few years ago in Lewes.

[Oly]

the problem is if you build on flood plains up river it means the effects are magnified as you go downstream,

 

 

Sometimes, not always.

[Oly]

They have been blaming "building on flood planes" in the media, but looking at the TV news, it seems as though most of the properties seriously affected were quite mature, certainly over 20 years old.

 

That's because it's been estimated as a 1 in 150 year event at present. We can only realistically legislate at present to up to a 1 in 100 year return period event plus 60 years worth of climate change plus 600mm freeboard.

 

What were you saying about new homes though!?!...Good old Barratt homes!!!

 

[Bagsy]

I feel for all those affected but I believe there is absolutely nowt any us can do to change the climate I'm just an old fashioned sceptic who believes that climate change is occurring naturally and we will just have to learn to adapt. Don't mess with the weather - we will loose!!!

 

Lets hope it never happens that bad in Essex...........well anywhere other than Basildon

[Oly]

I believe there is absolutely nowt any us can do to change the climate

 

Not individually, but together we can make a difference

 

Don't mess with the weather - we will loose!!!

 

This quote puts evidence to my above statement - I've been messing with it for so long now that we are presently losing, doesn't mean that we can't stop/slow it though.