MC Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 NATSS Update The Steering Group of the National Association of Target Shooting Sports, (NATSS), met again on Thursday 27 September 2007 at The Lord Robert's Centre, Bisley. Following the meeting of the Steering Group, a buffet lunch was hosted by the NSRA for the members of staff of the three Governing Bodies, to meet informally prior to being given an update on the progress that has been made with regard to the potential consolidation of the three Governing Bodies. Roger Moreland, Managing Director of Performance Matters - the appointed Facilitators, described in outline the process that has been adopted together with an indication of the time-frame required to complete it. Terry Blaney, Chairman of the NATSS Steering Group provided members of staff with a description of the organisation that would be created as relates to its employees. The first of the major facilitated meetings has been arranged for Wednesday, 28 November 2007. Approximately 100 representatives, evenly drawn from the three Associations, will be invited to attend and contribute to the shaping of the future of target shooting sports in the UK. Regional Workshops will be organised to ensure that as many Members as possible of the three Associations are engaged in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 It's good to see that somebody reads the CPSA website...............!!!!! Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted October 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Cat, It actually came from the NRA website, but they are all at Bisley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Cat, It actually came from the NRA website, but they are all at Bisley Stop running MC, the cat has it in for you and everyone else that has a bad word to say about the CPSA, you know it makes sense LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted October 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 LB, I'm insulted, I have never had a bad word to say about the bunch of T****RS who claim to be the governing body of Clay PIGEON Shooting in the UK. The sooner they join forces and get on with looking after the interests of the shooting man the better. Mind you they will be called BASC then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Cat, It actually came from the NRA website, but they are all at Bisley Stop running MC, the cat has it in for you and everyone else that has a bad word to say about the CPSA, you know it makes sense LB No way LB, you've got me seriously wrong matey, I don't think the sun rises and sets over Bisley and all of the CPSA wallahs that hang out there, however I do believe that the best way to make changes is to take an active part in what's going on and put forward sensible arguments for change, it's worked for me over the past year, don't snipe from the outside, get in there and help change things for the better..!! Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted October 7, 2007 Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 Cat, It actually came from the NRA website, but they are all at Bisley Stop running MC, the cat has it in for you and everyone else that has a bad word to say about the CPSA, you know it makes sense LB No way LB, you've got me seriously wrong matey, I don't think the sun rises and sets over Bisley and all of the CPSA wallahs that hang out there, however I do believe that the best way to make changes is to take an active part in what's going on and put forward sensible arguments for change, it's worked for me over the past year, don't snipe from the outside, get in there and help change things for the better..!! Cat. I agree with you Cat but MC baiting is good sport so don't spoil my fun LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Lets face it all organisations (regardless of Sport) are only in it for the money, CPSA especially run by a Spineless bunch of T******. Blaney et al should step down after the name change fiasco. The sport of shooting has more to contend from outside than it does about worrying whether or not people will get confused over whether or not we shoot pigeons when CLAY pigeon shooting. All the tosh you give CAT about putting forward sensible arguements doesn't work. Unless you have an insight to the clique (which you being an england shooter probably do) and are their best buddies at county, regional and/or national level they don't listen to the normal man at the shooting ground. They sit down at Bisley in their Ivory towers dictating what they feel the rest of us want, instead of actually asking us. Why because if they did they would end up with Egg on their faces like the recent name change debacle. I have been a member of a fair few "shooting" organisations and have to say that BASC is the only Pro-active organisation out there for my money. At the end of the day it does what it says on the TIN. SS :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 How many "normal" shooters actually go to the AGMs or regional meetings though? :blink: It only tends to be same old clique who attend, so theres little wonder its the same old clique who are listened to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 How many "normal" shooters actually go to the AGMs or regional meetings though? It only tends to be same old clique who attend, so theres little wonder its the same old clique who are listened to. I have actually been to County AGM's, and whilst I know the people on the commitee to nod and say hello to through wandering around Drinkstone and Badwell Ash, they don't listen to anyone other than their mates. I hear what you are saying though. The recent voting fiasco over the name change highlighted the plight quite well, was it something like only 3% of members voted I have also emailed and tried to speak to the various members about certain elements and how to go about shooting for the county/region etc in ESK, but its the same old faces time and time again and I have never ever had a reply from our Regional rep, even though the message was passed onto him verbally via another regions rep (the email address link was incorrect on the CPSA Website :blink: SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Yippee at last some more CPSA bashers. I am a 41 year old self employed builder with a mortgage, me and the wife and kids all shoot. But guess what me and the wife are on the committee of the Bucks CPSA. I can assure you the best way to tackle the issues you have raised is to go to your next AGM and get stuck in. Rather than sit there moaning about it sort it. We did. If people just sit back festering and fretting and slagging others off without seeing what happens when they put their pennies worth in it is no wonder we all have to live in this sad bureucratic world. I urge anyone with a good point or opinion to get in touch with your county comittee. If they dont listen then go along to the next AGM vote them off and start afresh. Believe me it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Yippee at last some more CPSA bashers. I am a 41 year old self employed builder with a mortgage, me and the wife and kids all shoot. But guess what me and the wife are on the committee of the Bucks CPSA. I can assure you the best way to tackle the issues you have raised is to go to your next AGM and get stuck in. Rather than sit there moaning about it sort it. We did. If people just sit back festering and fretting and slagging others off without seeing what happens when they put their pennies worth in it is no wonder we all have to live in this sad bureucratic world. I urge anyone with a good point or opinion to get in touch with your county comittee. If they dont listen then go along to the next AGM vote them off and start afresh. Believe me it works. Couldn't have put it better myself, well said, I can't believe I'm one of the very few on this site who are prepared to get stuck in and try and change things if they ain't right. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 Did neither of you read what I put. I have been to the AGM (X2) and have raised questions, but it is the same old faces voting for their mates and therefore unless you're in their clique then you have no chance. I have even approached 3 regional members before and after shooting at various clubs in Suffolk, but they are not prepared to talk about those issues I want them as the elected persons to deal with. Does not both the regional and national committee serve the members much the same way as the government, albeit with less spin (sometimes), and therefore should they not listen and bring up those concerns that their members have. I am forthright and I do put my views across, but do they listen, NOOOOOOO......... I, unlike others will contest something and stand up for what I believe is the right thing to do, but unless you take along a group of your shooting mates to the AGM's, they do not listen. The reason for CPSA bashing is because of the underhanded way certain committee members at both regional and national level go about things. The national board take no notice of what the average shooting man wants, rather they're too busy listening to the PC brigade about what difference the name change makes in terms of distancing themselves from the true shooters of this world i.e. those of us that do both live quarry and clay shooting. Clay shooting is now more snobbish than game shooting IMHO. So Outlaw I am but one disgruntled CPSA member (Until Jan 2008 when I will not be renewing membership), but I know that I'm not the only one, what do you propose we do about the whole situation. Membership is not increasing the same as in other areas of the shooting world, and yet the national committee seem to think there's no problem. What is it that CPSA does with all the money apart from an unequal share of prize money across the national scene as well as at regional level, oh yes that's right they spunk it up the wall on some hair brained scheme to change the name which then fails miserably and then state that the description shown in the financial accounts wasn't at all linked with the possible name change, but rather something less sinister in terms of marketing. Pull the other one it plays all 14 verses of god save the queen, how stupid do those elected officials think we are. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Yeah, Some pretty strong views there SS, many of which I can associate with, I hope you've read this months "Pull" mag, which hopefully has dropped on your doorstep recently, it seems the Suffolk committee are now crying out for new members to come along and add there 2 pennyworth, otherwise there ain't going to be a Suffolk committee in the not too distant future. Perhaps it's time to stand up and be counted, rest assured there are plenty of ordinary members like me that will back you on sensible issues of reform, I just think it's important that those that care about the future of clay shooting don't throw all of the toys out of the pram too damn early..?? Get in there SS, you may be a self confessed **** shot, but you also may be able to move mountains as a County CPSA member, (hang on....how many mountains are there in Suffolk........damn it, geography was never my best subject at Oxbridge..!!) Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 28, 2007 Report Share Posted October 28, 2007 How many "normal" shooters actually go to the AGMs or regional meetings though? It only tends to be same old clique who attend, so theres little wonder its the same old clique who are listened to. Well said, that just about sums up the situation for every member of an Organisation, that they are not happy with . It doesn't matter if its the local Angling Club, or the BASC, the principle is the same, "you can only change things from the inside". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 Firstly my appologies for not replying sooner,for some reason this forum thing doesnt seem to send me emails when someone has replied to a post I am watching/started. I need to read the controls thing and set it up. "Suffolk shooter" I do agree with a lot of what you say and I felt the same about our committee as you do, in fact we still have some deadwood to get shot of. But the hardwork has now been done with the exception of a couple that are hanging on by thier finger tips. Again all I can suggest is that you go to your next AGM with loads of members that share your views and have your say. The comittee has to act if there is strong enough feeling about your issues, believe me it works. We need shooters to stand together and be counted for for the good of our sport and the support we should be giving to our up and coming youngsters. The problem is that everyday shooters will not get involved because they dont understand what is involved in being a committee member. I am just a nnnnormal bloke with wife and kids that also love shooting and all I do is go to all the meetings and put across the views of my fellow shooters, come up with ideas on how to raise the shoddy profile that the Bucks committee had and encourage new shooters to join and get involved in the teams as the wife and I have. We have a handful of shooters/committee members that choose the teams and the usual Chairman/lady,Vice Chairman/lady,Secretary,Treasurer. I think there is a maximum number of committee members and that is 15, I will check for you and get back to you on that one. You do not need to have a role just be there and say your piece. There is also a rumor that I need to check on that there is no maximum number of teams an area can put into a competition, but again I will let you know asap. I hope you change your mind and stay with the CPSA and join your committee, we need people like you to make the difference. If you shoot Sporting,DTL,Skeet or Allround and get a team together I may bump into you at the Nationals next year. Many regards Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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