Yellow Bear Posted March 26 Report Share Posted March 26 28 minutes ago, Vince Green said: I have wondered about that. It was going to be the obvious replacement but then suddenly it all went quiet and all you heard about was steel Cost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 9 hours ago, Yellow Bear said: Cost! Surely cheaper than bismuth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 (edited) Just had a quick google, Bismuth £38kg, bright copper £4.50 kg. lead £1.50kg, Edited March 27 by islandgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 6 minutes ago, islandgun said: Just had a quick google, Bismuth £38 per kg, bright copper £4.50 per kg. lead £1.50 per kg But "steel", actually iron, is considerably less than lead (IIRC up to a tenth the price) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: But "steel", actually iron, is considerably less than lead (IIRC up to a tenth the price) The cost of the raw materials is miniscule in the overall cost of the end product. The only reason we are being pushed towards steel shot is because the industry that already makes steel ball bearings can produce steel shot in the quantities required by the cartridge industry. There is no industrial need for copper shot so unless someone wants to start a factory from scratch ( highly unlikely in the present economic climate) there is no source for the cartridge industry to get copper shot. Also although we will stop using lead shot I strongly suspect that most of the countries in Europe will simply ignore the ban. Like they do with most other legislation, and continue using lead shot. Edited March 27 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno24 Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 34 minutes ago, islandgun said: Just had a quick google, Bismuth £38kg, bright copper £4.50 kg. lead £1.50kg, What are these prices based on? is it new, scrap, or shot as the last lead shot I bought last year was £4.30 per kilo. Also, and I don't know where I read it recently but said scrap copper from cable was an all time high at £7000 a tonne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 4 minutes ago, Bruno24 said: What are these prices based on? is it new, scrap, or shot as the last lead shot I bought last year was £4.30 per kilo. Also, and I don't know where I read it recently but said scrap copper from cable was an all time high at £7000 a tonne. Just a quick google Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 27 Report Share Posted March 27 1 minute ago, islandgun said: Just a quick google Copper in cable is high purity but demand for copper generally is falling due to plastic replacing copper in plumbing applications World commodity price for copper this morning was 4.02 dollars US per pound. That works out close to your £7 grand a ton. But the thing about lead is how easily it can be turned into shot. People do it in their garage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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