harrycatcat1 Posted June 6 Author Report Share Posted June 6 22 minutes ago, Bobba said: Section 21 Notice ? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted June 6 Author Report Share Posted June 6 Does this mark look like it's hit with something 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted June 6 Author Report Share Posted June 6 30 minutes ago, harrycatcat1 said: Does this mark look like it's hit with something 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 29 minutes ago, harrycatcat1 said: Does this mark look like it's hit with something 🤔 That looks like an expansion crack, where a hairline crack caused by hot\cold cycles has eventually let go. There is no sign of an impact crack on the fracture edges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 4 hours ago, harrycatcat1 said: That's why I asked about the lease, if you used a government "model" lease as the basis the terms are as follows:- Section 😧 Landlord’s obligations384 INSURANCE AND RENT SUSPENSION4.1 The Landlord must insure the Property against fire, flooding and other risksusually covered by a comprehensive insurance policy and must use allreasonable efforts to arrange for any damage caused by an insured risk to beremedied as soon as possible. 👉The Tenant is responsible for arranging insurance of the Tenant’s own belongings.👈 4.2 The Landlord must provide the Tenant with a copy of the insurance policy at therequest of the Tenant.4.3 Where the Property is uninhabitable because of damage caused to the Propertyby an insured risk then, unless the damage was caused by the Tenant’snegligence or failure to comply with the Tenant’s obligations under thisagreement, the Tenant shall not be required to pay rent until the Property is fitfor occupation and use. Google is not your friend in this instance...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted June 6 Author Report Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, Stonepark said: That looks like an expansion crack, where a hairline crack caused by hot\cold cycles has eventually let go. There is no sign of an impact crack on the fracture edges. Can you please explain to me how the hot/cold cycles work in a cold water cistern causing it to crack that wide 🙏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted June 6 Author Report Share Posted June 6 58 minutes ago, Stonepark said: That's why I asked about the lease, if you used a government "model" lease as the basis the terms are as follows:- Section 😧 Landlord’s obligations384 INSURANCE AND RENT SUSPENSION4.1 The Landlord must insure the Property against fire, flooding and other risksusually covered by a comprehensive insurance policy and must use allreasonable efforts to arrange for any damage caused by an insured risk to beremedied as soon as possible. 👉The Tenant is responsible for arranging insurance of the Tenant’s own belongings.👈 4.2 The Landlord must provide the Tenant with a copy of the insurance policy at therequest of the Tenant.4.3 Where the Property is uninhabitable because of damage caused to the Propertyby an insured risk then, unless the damage was caused by the Tenant’snegligence or failure to comply with the Tenant’s obligations under thisagreement, the Tenant shall not be required to pay rent until the Property is fitfor occupation and use. Google is not your friend in this instance...... Is there a government model before September 2014? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 3 hours ago, harrycatcat1 said: Does this mark look like it's hit with something 🤔 Two questions if I may,,,,, What is the room layout, specifically what is to the RHS of the wc ? Is there any evidence of slight damage to the underside of the cistern lid in the appropriate area ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted June 6 Author Report Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, JKD said: Two questions if I may,,,,, What is the room layout, specifically what is to the RHS of the wc ? Is there any evidence of slight damage to the underside of the cistern lid in the appropriate area ? To the right hand side there is a gap of about a foot between the cistern and the wall. I'm going tomorrow I will take a picture. I will check the lid tomorrow. What makes me suspicious is that I had a new bathroom put in a few doors away and the fitter said she came pestering him to look. I am going to meet the bathroom man tomorrow morning for a price to replace the lot but the present tenant is not likely to benefit from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, harrycatcat1 said: To the right hand side there is a gap of about a foot between the cistern and the wall. I'm going tomorrow I will take a picture. I will check the lid tomorrow. What makes me suspicious is that I had a new bathroom put in a few doors away and the fitter said she came pestering him to look. I am going to meet the bathroom man tomorrow morning for a price to replace the lot but the present tenant is not likely to benefit from it. So the wc is in a sort of 'niche' ? I'm sure it's not 'accidental' damage, but it's not really about that now, it's just got to get sorted amicably ASAP. Let's see what the plumber has to say 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted June 6 Report Share Posted June 6 5 hours ago, harrycatcat1 said: Can you please explain to me how the hot/cold cycles work in a cold water cistern causing it to crack that wide 🙏 If you have a small hairline crack that lets water into the porous element of the ceramic, every time you go through a flush cycle, fresh cold water is introduced into the cistern and that crack will slowly get bigger, it may have been doing so for years, though at some point the pressure of the water in the porous ceramic leads to a sudden failure. If it has been hit on the night of failure, their will be evidence of fresh damage on the crack as the impact would cause a shockwave along which the crack would propagate (think of using a chisel to crack glass, the glass does not crack randomly but from the impact point). Looking at the photo, there is no evidence from that angle of someone taking a chisel or hammer etc to the ceramic as the crack is clean, with no impact damage. 5 hours ago, harrycatcat1 said: Is there a government model before September 2014? There was, you should have a copy of the lease and be able to check exactly what the terms are and the signed lease is always is the guide for liability. If the lease is silent on the tenant insuring the carpets, then they should be insured under the landlords policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted June 7 Author Report Share Posted June 7 13 hours ago, Stonepark said: If you have a small hairline crack that lets water into the porous element of the ceramic, every time you go through a flush cycle, fresh cold water is introduced into the cistern and that crack will slowly get bigger, it may have been doing so for years, though at some point the pressure of the water in the porous ceramic leads to a sudden failure. If it has been hit on the night of failure, their will be evidence of fresh damage on the crack as the impact would cause a shockwave along which the crack would propagate (think of using a chisel to crack glass, the glass does not crack randomly but from the impact point). Looking at the photo, there is no evidence from that angle of someone taking a chisel or hammer etc to the ceramic as the crack is clean, with no impact damage. There was, you should have a copy of the lease and be able to check exactly what the terms are and the signed lease is always is the guide for liability. If the lease is silent on the tenant insuring the carpets, then they should be insured under the landlords policies. Thanks for your advice 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 Hello, It would need a hefty wack to do that damage and using something not metal, was there any damage around the fixings, although when i have fitted cisterns i used rubber inserts, i have never known cisterns to crack via the water theory but that is not to say it does not happen, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, It would need a hefty wack to do that damage and using something not metal, was there any damage around the fixings, although when i have fitted cisterns i used rubber inserts, i have never known cisterns to crack via the water theory but that is not to say it does not happen, I doubt it had a hairline crack which slowly expanded due to temperatures,,,, think about it 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 18 minutes ago, JKD said: I doubt it had a hairline crack which slowly expanded due to temperatures,,,, think about it 😉 Hello, Ah must have missed that🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted June 7 Author Report Share Posted June 7 2 hours ago, JKD said: I doubt it had a hairline crack which slowly expanded due to temperatures,,,, think about it 😉 It's a mystery 🤔🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKD Posted June 7 Report Share Posted June 7 19 minutes ago, harrycatcat1 said: It's a mystery 🤔🤔 Yup, but just need to get the house back to a good order 👍🫣 Are you still pushing the insurance company ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted June 7 Author Report Share Posted June 7 6 minutes ago, JKD said: Yup, but just need to get the house back to a good order 👍🫣 Are you still pushing the insurance company ? They will email in 48 hrs when they have got information from the broker. They are just jokers. Asked 2 plasterers to quote non turned up. Carpet man didn't turn up. I lose patience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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