Terrorist attack - Germany.

[12gauge82]

9 minutes ago, Goly said:

But there lies the problem, we can't just punish law abiding immigrants for the actions of a few. Unless you suggest an unjust mass deportation plan I don't know exactly what we are meant to do. 

There you go again, implying I've suggested that. 

I expressly stated, you can't just deport people who have now set their lives up here. What I suggest is a strictly enforced immigration system, where we can choose who we allow in. Anyone arriving illegally should be immediately sent back. 

[Goly]

2 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

There you go again, implying I've suggested that. 

I expressly stated, you can't just deport people who have now set their lives up here. What I suggest is a strictly enforced immigration system, where we can choose who we allow in. Anyone arriving illegally should be immediately sent back. 

There you go, stating that I'm implying you said that, can you point out where I did?

There's no such thing as arriving here illegally, people have the right to seek asylum anywhere, wether they are accepted that's a different matter altogether.

[12gauge82]

2 minutes ago, Goly said:

There you go, stating that I'm implying you said that, can you point out where I did?

There's no such thing as arriving here illegally, people have the right to seek asylum anywhere, wether they are accepted that's a different matter altogether.

So why are you saying we can't punish the law abiding? Where's anyone suggestes we do? 

If I turned up in Australia or the USA simply because I want to live there, I'm sure I would be deported very quickly. We should absolutely set up legal routes for a number of genuine refugees to seek sanctuary. 

The UK is a very tolerant and giving people, look at Ukraine people opened the country and even their homes to help them, I believe Oowee took a family in which is fantastic. Theres not a single genuine refugee who's landed on our shores via dingy. Anyone arriving via that route should be kicked out and banned from ever returning. 

[Newbie to this]

15 minutes ago, Goly said:

There's no such thing as arriving here illegally

That is a blatant fallacy.

 

[Goly]

1 minute ago, Newbie to this said:

That is a blatant fallacy.

 

Well no it isn't, people have the right to arrive here by boat, they are only here illegally if they don't hand themselves in once they do arrive.

[Newbie to this]

It's a criminal act.....

Just now, Goly said:

Well no it isn't, people have the right to arrive here by boat, they are only here illegally if they don't hand themselves in once they do arrive.

That is not the case

Stating anything else is a blatant lie or ignorance of the law

[Goly]

2 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

It's a criminal act.....

That is not the case

Stating anything else is a blatant lie or ignorance of the law

Incorrect, international law trumps the recently introduced bill. It's only illegal if you arrive and don't try to claim asylum.

[Newbie to this]

Just now, Goly said:

Incorrect, international law trumps the recently introduced bill. It's only illegal if you arrive and don't try to claim asylum.

Yet more fallacies 

[Goly]

2 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Yet more fallacies 

Facts buddy, of course we could disregard international law our governments clearly don't think the hit to our reputation is worth it.

[clangerman]

for arm chair lawyers migrant occupants of dinghies are not here illegally because we “rescue” them 

[Newbie to this]

37 minutes ago, Goly said:

There's no such thing as arriving here illegally

 

12 minutes ago, Goly said:

It's only illegal if you arrive and don't try to claim asylum.

Unfortunately even you agree that it is indeed a fallacy.

3 minutes ago, clangerman said:

for arm chair lawyers migrant occupants of dinghies are not here illegally because we “rescue” them 

All of them???? And just for your knowledge, they break the law the second they enter UK territory.

5 minutes ago, Goly said:

Facts buddy, of course we could disregard international law our governments clearly don't think the hit to our reputation is worth it.

So you agree then, UK law is supreme if we choose

Edited 10 hours ago by Newbie to this

[clangerman]

Just now, Newbie to this said:

 

Unfortunately even you agree that it is indeed a fallacy.

All of them?

unfortunately yes escorting boats in is still a “rescue” try not to weep lol 

[Newbie to this]

2 minutes ago, clangerman said:

unfortunately yes escorting boats in is still a “rescue” try not to weep lol 

You missed the point, some are not escorted and make it all the way, the rest enter UK territory before they are picked up.

And just for your knowledge, they break the law the second they enter UK territory.

Edited 10 hours ago by Newbie to this

[clangerman]

1 minute ago, Newbie to this said:

You missed the point, some are not escorted and make it all the way, the rest enter UK territory before they are picked up.

stuck on that one I only paid for the childs legal education lol 

[Newbie to this]

5 minutes ago, clangerman said:

unfortunately yes escorting boats in is still a “rescue” try not to weep lol 

So when the French escort them they are rescuing them into UK territory 

1 minute ago, clangerman said:

stuck on that one I only paid for the childs legal education lol 

What don't you understand?

[12gauge82]

20 minutes ago, Goly said:

It's only illegal if you arrive and don't try to claim asylum.

As they do all the way through Europe. 

By the way,do you do much shooting? 

Edited 10 hours ago by 12gauge82

[Goly]

2 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

You missed the point, some are not escorted and make it all the way, the rest enter UK territory before they are picked up.

And just for your knowledge, they break the law the second they enter UK territory.

They are not are they as was clearly pointed out. 

The UK is a signatory to the Refugee Convention as well as the ECHR, breaching these treaties would have serious implications.

[clangerman]

1 minute ago, Newbie to this said:

So when the French escort them they are rescuing them into UK territory 

What don't you understand?

if making shore on their own covers them all I got was if escorted or picked up not that it matters we are over run anyway 

[Newbie to this]

Just now, Goly said:

They are not are they as was clearly pointed out. 

The UK is a signatory to the Refugee Convention as well as the ECHR, breaching these treaties would have serious implications.

They are in breach of UK law

[Goly]

2 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

As they do all the way through Europe. 

By the way,do you do much shooting? 

Another mistruth, are you implying that all asylum seekers come to the UK?

Of course i do, do you? 

[Newbie to this]

1 minute ago, clangerman said:

if making shore on their own covers them all I got was if escorted or picked up not that it matters we are over run anyway 

[Goly]

1 minute ago, Newbie to this said:

They are in breach of UK law

Again, International Law trumps UK law.

[Newbie to this]

Just now, Goly said:

Again, International Law trumps UK law.

Again, no it does not. Only if our politicians choose it to.

[12gauge82]

1 minute ago, Goly said:

Another mistruth, are you implying that all asylum seekers come to the UK?

Of course i do, do you? 

No I'm not, what I'm implying is every boat that arrives here has come from France, unless your suggesting they've paddled all the way from Afghanistan or something. That being the case, they've come from France, a perfectly safe country, so how can they be a refugee, what war or persecution are they fleeing in France? 

Or could it be many are illegal immigrants, economic migrants who simply want a better standard of living? 

4 minutes ago, Goly said:

 

Of course i do, do you? 

I just find it odd you've joined PW and have only posted on this topic? 

[Goly]

1 minute ago, Newbie to this said:

Again, no it does not. Only if our politicians choose it to.

Ok, so you're suggesting we ignore all treaties and risk alienating us with those that adhere to them?