highseas Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) hi my first cartrige didnot turn out verry well it was OK but thr crimp was not "resesed"into the cartrige if you know what i mean was i using to much shot or to longer wad Edited January 9, 2008 by highseas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) hi my first cartrige didnot turn out verry well it was OK but thr crimp was not "resesed"into the cartrige if you know what i mean was i using to much shot or to longer wad Tell me everything! Type of case, length of case, Powder type, charge, type of wad, height of wad, weight of shot, size of shot - then I may be able to help. Edit: Spacing! Edited January 9, 2008 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingmike Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 I recently started with a Lee Load All myself and suffered the same problem loading 3 inch steel. I had crimps not deep enough, crimps opening up the day after loading and a host of other problems. I found that after loading a few, I got used to how much pressure to apply (more than I first thought!). On some occassions I put too much pressure on and buckled the cases above the brass so had to empty and discard them. I do find that once fired cases recrimp better than new ones. In this case if you put one of the "dips" in the crimp pointing straight towards you it works a treat. One thing I have found useful is if the initial crimp isn't recessed enough, lift the bar up, spin the cartridge round a bit and lower the bar putting reasonable pressure on, then repeat two or three times - raise, spin, lower, etc. This way it seems to "nip up" any loose crimps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 hi my first cartrige didnot turn out verry well it was OK but thr crimp was not "resesed"into the cartrige if you know what i mean was i using to much shot or to longer wad Do you have a picture? FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 (edited) If you have to 'lift, spin, lift, spin' a reloaded shell, you are doing something wrong. If the crimp dips or opens as if it is 'saying its prayers' - 'yow ay dewin' it roight!' Powder, wad, shot, crimp start, crimp, 'roll'* - a separate, not essential operation with a professional tool, to make the shell indistnguishable, at first glance, from the new product. *made with a tool in a bench drill. Match the components and the shells will load themselves! All it needs is a bit of practice! See below. See what I mean? Perfect! Edited January 9, 2008 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 ey by gum that's some load..... 5 1/2" magnum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingmike Posted January 9, 2008 Report Share Posted January 9, 2008 Think there's some misunderstanding here! I know I can be confusing even when talking to myself!!!! I have NEVER had to crimp, lift, spin, crimp, lift, spin a RELOAD. They normally crimp up perfectly. I've only had to do it with the only with the odd new case. Think it's something to do with the new uncrimped plastic not "setting" properly as the odd one has opened up the day after crimping despite looking perfect when initially crimped. Also, to repeat myself it's 3" steel I'm loading with good USA wads that are full to the brim, loaded to published data and fit just right in the case!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) Think there's some misunderstanding here! I know I can be confusing even when talking to myself!!!! I have NEVER had to crimp, lift, spin, crimp, lift, spin a RELOAD. They normally crimp up perfectly. I've only had to do it with the only with the odd new case. Think it's something to do with the new uncrimped plastic not "setting" properly as the odd one has opened up the day after crimping despite looking perfect when initially crimped. Also, to repeat myself it's 3" steel I'm loading with good USA wads that are full to the brim, loaded to published data and fit just right in the case!!!! Yes, a misunderstanding, I thought I was replying to Highseas! Sorry old fruit! However, Mike, keep a look out for the type of basewad in the empty shell. Manufacturers sometimes use different makes of hull for the same product. Cheddite hulls have a low white plastic basewad; Fiocchi have thick basewads that are sometimes as high as the brass; Rio/Eley hulls have basewads that have been known to separate and leave a void between the 'brass' and the basewad; these 'height' factors can affect the consistency of your crimps. (Have you noticed 'loose' primers recently?) I have seen instances when factory loads have come apart in the gun. See below. Edited January 10, 2008 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) If you have to 'lift, spin, lift, spin' a reloaded shell, you are doing something wrong. If the crimp dips or opens as if it is 'saying its prayers' - 'yow ay dewin' it roight!'Powder, wad, shot, crimp start, crimp, 'roll'* - a separate, not essential operation with a professional tool, to make the shell indistnguishable, at first glance, from the new product. *made with a tool in a bench drill. Match the components and the shells will load themselves! All it needs is a bit of practice! See below. Yep I have seen those cases at the Skeet layout at Doveridge!! Only joking Alan! See what I mean? Perfect! Edited January 10, 2008 by berettaman1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted January 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 i wil have to try agen with new powder and the like it was just a sample cartrige make with donated components ill let you know how i get on thanks for all your help guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingmike Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Floating Chamber - I've never had any loose primers as yet but only been reloading a short time. It's Cheddite's I've been using and haven't had any problems really. Saying that though they're a high brass and probably less likely to seperate. I have read something about loose primers recently.... It might have even been on here...... Think it was with Remington cases. I never realised till I started looking at loading manuals how many types of wad / basewad etc. existed and how much they can alter the end result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) Floating Chamber - I've never had any loose primers as yet but only been reloading a short time. It's Cheddites I've been using and haven't had any problems really. Saying that though, they're a high brass and probably less likely to separate. I have read something about loose primers recently.... It might have even been on here...... Think it was with Remington cases. I never realised till I started looking at loading manuals, how many types of wad / basewad etc. existed and how much they can alter the end result. It's when you put Cheddite primers into Rio type cases, especially Eley Olympic Trap. Edited January 10, 2008 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootingmike Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I'll bear that in mind. I'm after some 3" Cheddites or Remingtons at the moment and will probably use cx2000 primers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted January 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 so are rio cases no good to reaload then or are ther lots or variables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 (edited) so are Rio cases no good to reload then, or are there lots or variables I'll just say this: Rio type cases load really well CRIMPWISE. If you can, avoid them like the plague. You can easily tell them; they have no 'tags' in the brass round the primer hole. It's just a rim. An experienced loader, forced to load them because no other type is available, may well de-cap and then check the integrity of the head/basewad. The basewad may need re-seating. The shell will then be 'supersized' before re-priming. He may even add a little superglue to the side of the primer before re-priming. After firing, the shell is discarded. STOP PRESS! A colleague has devised a way of making Rio primer pockets tighter. Watch this space. Edited January 10, 2008 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted January 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 sounds good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highseas Posted January 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 mainley for FC but feel free to add comments could you give me a list of makes to buy ie,powder,shot,primers,wads,and the best hulls to use thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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