The Great Cornholio Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 My yearly subscription to the BASC ends at the end of the month. I am a clay shooter, so it should follow that I join the CPSA. Question is, where will my money be spent? I realize I will get a £3.00 discount at registered events & will get a category. Surely that can't be all! The BASC seem to put my £60.00 annual membership to good use, protecting the rights of shooters & conservation in general. I look forward to your views... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myuserid Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 * £5 Million civil liability insurance cover for ALL shooting sports (except mounted hunting and subject to the policy document in force). * * £20,000 Personal Accident cover * * £5 Million Professional Indemnity Insurance for Coaches, Instructors, Safety Officers, Referees, affiliated county and regional committee members and volunteers (new) * PULL! your own exclusive members-only magazine 10 times a year (next available issue sent after joining). * Free membership card and badge. * A classification system tailored to meet the requirements of shooters at all levels. * Marksman Badges for 25, 50, 75 and 100 Straight in most disciplines. * Protection for your sport - the CPSA liaises closely with the BSSC, Police and the Home Office. * Free advice service to all members, shoot organisers and affiliated clubs of all sizes. * Gain a team place for your county, region or country - even the Olympic Games. * Assistance with planning, noise and shotgun certificate problems. * A variety of coaching schemes & courses exclusive to members. * The chance to compete in county, regional, national and international competitions. * Availability to enter major championships for all categories of shooters. * A free list of clubs and qualified coaches in your area on request. * Exclusive members seasonal special offers as listed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 If you only shoot clays then CPSA may well be your way to go. BUT if you do shoot live quarry, and you remove your support from BASC, you will no longer be contributing towards the main organisation which seeks to protect the rights of live quarry shooters. Dont forget that CPSA recently tried to change its name to distance itself from live quarry shooting, and will do nothing to lobby or protect live quarry shooting. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Cornholio Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 * £5 Million civil liability insurance cover for ALL shooting sports (except mounted hunting and subject to the policy document in force). * * £20,000 Personal Accident cover... etc etc Thanks for the input but I just read all that on their site. Still don't see where the change will be spent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myuserid Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 * £5 Million civil liability insurance cover for ALL shooting sports (except mounted hunting and subject to the policy document in force). * * £20,000 Personal Accident cover... etc etc Thanks for the input but I just read all that on their site. Still don't see where the change will be spent... Your paying for the insurance, the pull mag, clubs, badge etc, thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Cornholio Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 (edited) Your paying for the insurance, the pull mag, clubs, badge etc, thats it. That's my point. With BASC membership you get the insurance, the mag & the badge. (that's about half the members fee) Plus you are supporting the main organization which seeks to protect the rights of live quarry shooters and their prey Edited January 13, 2008 by The Great Cornholio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myuserid Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 This is the point webber made, if you are into clays then sign up with the CPSA, if you shoot live quarry join BASC. CPSA - Protection for your sport - the CPSA liaises closely with the BSSC, Police and the Home Office. In my opinion CPSA does a lot more than BASC, read all the points in my first post. BASC: Free colour magazine every 8 weeks Free firearms legal helpline Firearms appeals advice Free shoot management helpline Free shootfinder service £10 million 3rd party insurance cover* £10 million employer liability cover* £10 million product liability cover* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Vast majority of the CPSA money (based on last years accounts) will go on staff salaries. An inefficient organisation who seem to be able to spend a fortune on people and administration in order to provide a grading service for clay shooters. They say they are the future of the sport and your money will allow them to grow, into what I wonder? I'm with both, I shoot registered events so I don't have much choice, I shoot live quarry as well so BASC too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 I'm with both too, but not sure how long for! With the BASC, I am switching to Trade membership which includes 2 directors on full benefits, and doesn't affect my standing as a BASC coach. B) The CPSA, will allow us to be Trade members also. However, an Individual membership is required as well, if we want to shoot registered and have our scores classified. Bizarre!! :o Obviously depends on personal requirements, but as Cornholio mentioned, it can be a quandary. The CPSA do rake in a lot of cash from registered shoots and advertising, as well as subs, never seen their accounts so I have no idea what they spend it on. The BASC accounts I do get to see. Could I do better with that amount of money? No I couldn't!! For responsible, low maintenance, all round shooters, it can seem a waste of money to join either, save for the Insurance, and there are many more options on that one! Pirate: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Cornholio Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Vast majority of the CPSA money (based on last years accounts) will go on staff salaries. An inefficient organisation who seem to be able to spend a fortune on people and administration in order to provide a grading service for clay shooters. They say they are the future of the sport and your money will allow them to grow, into what I wonder? I'm with both, I shoot registered events so I don't have much choice, I shoot live quarry as well so BASC too. It looks like I have no choice but to join the CPSA, albeit against my better judgement, simply because I want to shoot competitively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Vast majority of the CPSA money (based on last years accounts) will go on staff salaries. An inefficient organisation who seem to be able to spend a fortune on people and administration in order to provide a grading service for clay shooters. They say they are the future of the sport and your money will allow them to grow, into what I wonder? I'm with both, I shoot registered events so I don't have much choice, I shoot live quarry as well so BASC too. It looks like I have no choice but to join the CPSA, albeit against my better judgement, simply because I want to shoot competitively. Hello Furry, The Cpsa do do some good but the wages they pay dont come our way (committee members) we do it for the good of our shooters and we dont get a penny, not even for printing up posters and the such, we have in Bucks at least started to help juniors and colts with costs of shooting for the county, depends on how much you want to get into it. No disrespect though mate and I know you well enough not to take this the wrong way but you need to work on your shooting a bit more before you look at competition shooting, I know you know that isnt a dig and Pirate and I will help you as mucjh as we can to get you there even if you could be shooting for Bedfordshire. The BASC v CPSA rants will go on for ever but there is a lot of venom directed at the CPSA for the name change scandal. I voted against it and I am sure a lot of others did as well. No doubt a lot of money was spent on somme plonker to come up with the idea but you get this sort of thing in all areas of business. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 I recently 'Googled' CPSA and got 'Colored Pencil Society of America'! Try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 I recently 'Googled' CPSA and got 'Colored Pencil Society of America'! Try it! More useful sometimes :unsure: Anon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Cornholio Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 (edited) No offence taken Tony, However, I wasn't planning on joining with aspirations of filling my trophy cabinet! I simply need insurance & possibly legal advice. CPSA or BASC membership would be the obvious choices. I am tempted to renew my BASC membership. Unless I can be swayed otherwise Edited January 13, 2008 by The Great Cornholio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Insurance? Keen to take your money, but loath to pay out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taz24 Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 No offence taken Tony, However, I wasn't planning on joining with aspirations of filling my trophy cabinet! I simply need insurance & possibly legal advice. CPSA or BASC membership would be the obvious choices. I am tempted to renew my BASC membership. Unless I can be swayed otherwise I'm in a similar position. I'm not bothered about trophy's just yet (not good enough anway), just want to shoot safe. I see the game keepers organisation offers insurance and membership for less than half the price of CPSA. Are they any good. Cheers taz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 Even though it does mention live quarry shooting in the CPSA insurance offering I'd urge extreme caution. The BASC can and has fought the corner for shooters and done them proud, their firearms advice chap is probably worth the fee alone if you have any kind of issues relating to firearms law. Whilst the 3rd party liability cover the CPSA buy off someone else to sell on to you at a vastly inflated price should cover you, don't expect Boaks or Blaney to be standing next to you in court if something goes wrong. The CPSA, at HQ level, are incompetent. They spend a fortune on basic IT stuff and do it badly, they administer a system which should be automatic and could be re-written in a week to be more efficient and cost significantly less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 :unsure: Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 BASC talk the talk but from my experience and several others that have voiced about this in the recent past on this site and in the shooting field, ( They don’t walk the walk). All you get when you need help and advise regarding gun matters is “ WELL: it’s a bit of a grey area.) This isn’t good enough. There are NO grey areas as far as I am concerned. It’s either lawful or it isn’t. So I walked away with my wallet and so have a lot of people that I have spoken with and from conversations that I have heard in the shooting field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Outlaw Posted January 14, 2008 Report Share Posted January 14, 2008 No offence taken Tony, However, I wasn't planning on joining with aspirations of filling my trophy cabinet! I simply need insurance & possibly legal advice. CPSA or BASC membership would be the obvious choices. I am tempted to renew my BASC membership. Unless I can be swayed otherwise You can do it furry we all have faith in you fella, just believe it will all happen. The insurance needs researching, I have just renewed my gunsure policy and have £4500 worth of guns on it for £118 a year new for old accidental damage, theft and all bells and whistles cover, that with the CPSA membership I feel its enough for me but if you do a lot of game and rough shooting s well you would imo need to look at others as well. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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