dustyfox Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Hi people I am really getting by my dog at the moment, so much that I just want to give him to someone else. Everytime I take him off the leash and he see's another dog he will run up to it and just ignores me when I tell him to leave it. What puts me to shame is that I go out with another person with a 16 week springer and his dog doesnt chase other dogs and comes back to the owner when he calls him. I really dont know what to do now other than to take him to some dog training lessons. I dont give him titbits but would this help if I do. Please help I dont know what to do now with him. Thanks DF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stiv24 Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 The answer is quite simple. Until your dog is 100% on the stop and recall commands don't put him in the situation where he can run off and ignore you. Remove the temptation, job done. Don't worry about your mates dog and definately dont compare them. Every one is different and they all learn at varying speeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tiercel Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 I really dont know what to do now other than to take him to some dog training lessons.DF Sorry to have to tell you this, but!! You need the training not the dog. Nobody is born knowing how to train a dog. It's a skill you have to learn. Some of us have been lucky and have learned off others as we grow up. We also have mentors in my case it was NTTF when I came across something that I had never experienced before. The idea to take him to "dog" read owner training classes is a good one and it will help you both. TC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusk2dawn Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Hi people I am really getting by my dog at the moment, so much that I just want to give him to someone else. Everytime I take him off the leash and he see's another dog he will run up to it and just ignores me when I tell him to leave it. What puts me to shame is that I go out with another person with a 16 week springer and his dog doesnt chase other dogs and comes back to the owner when he calls him. I really dont know what to do now other than to take him to some dog training lessons. I dont give him titbits but would this help if I do. Please help I dont know what to do now with him. Thanks DF IMO you should go back to basic training on the lead and take him anywhere that there are other dogs, the problem as I see it is that he is giving in to the temptation of a romp and breaking from heel. Try walking him past other dogs and when he shows the slightest interest tell him no with a jerk on the lead in to heel. There was a recent thread on rolling in Fox poo (jan 22 0951) and the two problems are similar in as much that the use of a check cord when out walking him to heel would work, if he broke away from you, he could be stopped with a stern NO. If he is walking freely at heel but breaks away and ignores you just walk after him, but dont scold him if he returns, you must consistantly reprimand him in the act of breaking away from heel, within seconds. Hope this helps :unsure: D2D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted January 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 I really dont know what to do now other than to take him to some dog training lessons.DF Sorry to have to tell you this, but!! You need the training not the dog. Nobody is born knowing how to train a dog. It's a skill you have to learn. Some of us have been lucky and have learned off others as we grow up. We also have mentors in my case it was NTTF when I came across something that I had never experienced before. The idea to take him to "dog" read owner training classes is a good one and it will help you both. TC Thats what I am asking if I take him to dog training lessons they will hopefully teach me as well. he is all right when alone but as soon as he see's another dog he just ignores me. Now I do think this is my fault as well because when he was younger my mums german shephard sliced open his tongue, until recently I have not let him socialise with other dogs, cause I have a fear that he will get hurt again. And I dont like taking him to busy places cause all the people just fuss him and give him junk food. I think I might start giving him treats then maybe he will start paying more attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusk2dawn Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 I really dont know what to do now other than to take him to some dog training lessons.DF Sorry to have to tell you this, but!! You need the training not the dog. Nobody is born knowing how to train a dog. It's a skill you have to learn. Some of us have been lucky and have learned off others as we grow up. We also have mentors in my case it was NTTF when I came across something that I had never experienced before. The idea to take him to "dog" read owner training classes is a good one and it will help you both. TC Thats what I am asking if I take him to dog training lessons they will hopefully teach me as well. he is all right when alone but as soon as he see's another dog he just ignores me. Now I do think this is my fault as well because when he was younger my mums german shephard sliced open his tongue, until recently I have not let him socialise with other dogs, cause I have a fear that he will get hurt again. And I dont like taking him to busy places cause all the people just fuss him and give him junk food. I think I might start giving him treats then maybe he will start paying more attention. If you go down that road, limit them to 1 in 3 returns then phase them out asap, really only as a last resort. You can substitute the treat for extra fussing and lots of encouragement which dogs respond to just as much as treats. Too many treats on the return will lead to him spitting out retrieves to clear his mouth for the expectant treat. He,s your dog, tell them to leave him alone?? Training classes are probably the best way forward. :unsure: D2D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiercel Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Thats what I am asking if I take him to dog training lessons they will hopefully teach me as well. he is all right when alone but as soon as he see's another dog he just ignores me. Now I do think this is my fault as well because when he was younger my mums german shephard sliced open his tongue, until recently I have not let him socialise with other dogs, cause I have a fear that he will get hurt again. And I dont like taking him to busy places cause all the people just fuss him and give him junk food. I think I might start giving him treats then maybe he will start paying more attention. I do not feel qualified to give you advice over the net. However, I can tell you that you need help in training the dog, as you have not trained a dog before and do not seem to to be able to grasp how to interact with the dog. I could go on and spout out what you need to do but 10 mins after reading it you will have forgotten what I said. Where as with a hands on training class, you both get to learn what your roll in the partnership is. TC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted January 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 I really dont know what to do now other than to take him to some dog training lessons.DF Sorry to have to tell you this, but!! You need the training not the dog. Nobody is born knowing how to train a dog. It's a skill you have to learn. Some of us have been lucky and have learned off others as we grow up. We also have mentors in my case it was NTTF when I came across something that I had never experienced before. The idea to take him to "dog" read owner training classes is a good one and it will help you both. TC Thats what I am asking if I take him to dog training lessons they will hopefully teach me as well. he is all right when alone but as soon as he see's another dog he just ignores me. Now I do think this is my fault as well because when he was younger my mums german shephard sliced open his tongue, until recently I have not let him socialise with other dogs, cause I have a fear that he will get hurt again. And I dont like taking him to busy places cause all the people just fuss him and give him junk food. I think I might start giving him treats then maybe he will start paying more attention. If you go down that road, limit them to 1 in 3 returns then phase them out asap, really only as a last resort. You can substitute the treat for extra fussing and lots of encouragement which dogs respond to just as much as treats. Too many treats on the return will lead to him spitting out retrieves to clear his mouth for the expectant treat. He,s your dog, tell them to leave him alone?? Training classes are probably the best way forward. :unsure: D2D Thanks D2D I know treats are a last resort just gonna see if it works. DF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeksofdoom Posted January 27, 2008 Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Have to agree with Tiercel, puppy obedience classes are the business if your a novice to dog training. They will prepare you for different scenarios when your out training your dog. You can read all the books in the world but there's nothing like having an expert there telling you where you've gone wrong. The trainer, trains you not the dog. A lot of people expect their dogs to come away trained from these classes but they don't. There were a few people who were still trying to get there pups to recall after a couple of months on the course I was on, pathetic considering I was using whistle commands on my dog and walking it to heal off the lead with no problems. How old is your dog anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted January 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2008 Have to agree with Tiercel, puppy obedience classes are the business if your a novice to dog training. They will prepare you for different scenarios when your out training your dog. You can read all the books in the world but there's nothing like having an expert there telling you where you've gone wrong. The trainer, trains you not the dog. A lot of people expect their dogs to come away trained from these classes but they don't. There were a few people who were still trying to get there pups to recall after a couple of months on the course I was on, pathetic considering I was using whistle commands on my dog and walking it to heal off the lead with no problems. How old is your dog anyway? he is 13 months old labrador how much would you pay for these lessons? DF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeksofdoom Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 Have to agree with Tiercel, puppy obedience classes are the business if your a novice to dog training. They will prepare you for different scenarios when your out training your dog. You can read all the books in the world but there's nothing like having an expert there telling you where you've gone wrong. The trainer, trains you not the dog. A lot of people expect their dogs to come away trained from these classes but they don't. There were a few people who were still trying to get there pups to recall after a couple of months on the course I was on, pathetic considering I was using whistle commands on my dog and walking it to heal off the lead with no problems. How old is your dog anyway? he is 13 months old labrador how much would you pay for these lessons? DF I paid 120 Euro for 8 lessons, you'll just have to ring around, get someone who has experience with Gundogs/Trialing etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiercel Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 DF, Sorry I had not thought about the money part of training or as to if you could afford it or not. If you look here there are some cracking articles for you to read. What you really need to do is to be able to think like a dog not a human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggyRS6 Posted January 28, 2008 Report Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) Welcome to my world. But as its been mentioned its not the dog. Its you, or in this case us, and many like us Im gonna get some lessons after the shooting season with Steve Wanstall, hopefully that will point me in the right direction, and that's by no means me slaggin off those who have helped here. I am just a dufus. Edited January 28, 2008 by ShaggyRS6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted March 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Right some good news I have been putting him on the lead when I see other people or dogs and he now ignores people but still has a slight interest for other dogs which he pulls on the lead but when I say no he carries on walking with maybe a quick glance over. I also went into a large field where I had him of the lead and a stranger walked by me and him and he took no interest in him. So I am glad that I am getting somewhere with him now. I can also get him to stay and retrieve stuff when there is other people, I am over the moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdunc Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Right some good news I have been putting him on the lead when I see other people or dogs and he now ignores people but still has a slight interest for other dogs which he pulls on the lead but when I say no he carries on walking with maybe a quick glance over. I also went into a large field where I had him of the lead and a stranger walked by me and him and he took no interest in him. So I am glad that I am getting somewhere with him now. I can also get him to stay and retrieve stuff when there is other people, I am over the moon. Well done, just takes time mate and if you're unfamiliar it can sometimes seem like you are getting nowhere. Been there myself a few times. Always remain consistent and it will fall into place eventually! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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