bob300w Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 "Thats about 30 for me for this coursing season alone. And we hit em hard. £400- 600 each driving disqualifations for everyone in the vehicle, and forefiture of the vehicle for a starter for ten. " Having a bit of trouble getting my head round this, four people in a car, and they all got a driving ban? And a passenger who does not have a driving licence, what? I'm as much for stopping them as you are, but this cannot be correct, how can a passeger be disqualified from driving, for a crime that he commits on foot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiden22 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 (edited) . Edited November 3, 2008 by Maiden22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Seems to me, If these people are doing this kind of offence, then make yourself a few stop sticks!! a few 1" dia, wood rods with plenty off 2" in nails in them would make the ** Oops sorry people causing these kind of offences **Oops, sorry go away elswere..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 (edited) Seems to me, If these people are doing this kind of offence, then make yourself a few stop sticks!! a few 1" dia, wood rods with plenty off 2" in nails in them would make the ** Oops sorry people causing these kind of offences **Oops, sorry go away elswere..! Unfortunatly b'man, they are usually mob handed, and lads that have tried to warn them off have had their tyres slashed on their cars at night, combines have been burned out and barns, they have no scruples whatsoever. Add to this that they would say you attacked them whilst they were taking their bedridden old grannies dog for a walk, and you are deep in the smelly stuff yourself. Edited March 12, 2008 by bob300w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Sorry Bob, I am speaking beyond my knowledge on these kind of things!! I only suggested what I would have done!!. I NEVER MENTIONED THE PETROL SOAKED STRIP WHICH I WOULD HAVE IGNIGHTED WHEN THEIR VEHICLES WHERE ON WHEN I WOULD HAVE FLICKED MY LIGHTER!! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 B'man, like your style, but what is going to happen when these guys call the police? They would deny everything, six of their word against yours, and you lose your SGC and FAC. And when it comes down to the bottom line, who wants all this grief over a hare? Not the right attitude I know, but you have to be realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I can't remember the legislation of the top of my head, its about a A4 page worth, if convicted of the offence an application is made at the time of the hearing for diaqualifications for everone in the vehicle. our court files are sometimes three inches thick and we apply for everything that we can...... Disqualifications, forefitures ASBO's....... You can still be disqualified if you don't have a licence. for instance a 16 year old has stolen a vehicle etc...... can be disqualified for ... amount of years. hope that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I can't remember the legislation of the top of my head, its about a A4 page worth, if convicted of the offence an application is made at the time of the hearing for diaqualifications for everone in the vehicle. our court files are sometimes three inches thick and we apply for everything that we can...... Disqualifications, forefitures ASBO's....... You can still be disqualified if you don't have a licence. for instance a 16 year old has stolen a vehicle etc...... can be disqualified for ... amount of years. hope that helps Yes, I am familiar with the latter part of your post, what I find hard to grasp is that you are saying, in essence, that if I go to Tesco's as a passenger in a car, and the driver gets nicked for shoplifting, I can be disqualified from driving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 YES BOB!! SERVES YOU RIGHT,!! FOR HAVING A GO AT ME< ON THIS THREAD!!! Ha Ha Ha. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 YES BOB!! SERVES YOU RIGHT,!! FOR HAVING A GO AT ME< ON THIS THREAD!!! Ha Ha Ha. :blink: I did? where??when??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/index...showtopic=25432 interesitng thread here. bigt1754. hats of to you . :blink: man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I've never heard of that happening, but as we use legislation from 1831 for hare coursing, there is probably something out there. Without looking at the wording of the application, as i said its about an A4's worth, I can't say. I'm back in work tomorrow and I'll have a look for you. :blink: But trust me, everyone in the vehicle gets banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Ha Ha Ha, Mark, Whatwever, Bob knows I am only tring to wind him up,.!!! Good old boys both of you! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Thank you Markbivvi :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 OH LOOK..... I'm no longer a newbie pigeon shooter :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 I've never heard of that happening, but as we use legislation from 1831 for hare coursing, there is probably something out there. Without looking at the wording of the application, as i said its about an A4's worth, I can't say. I'm back in work tomorrow and I'll have a look for you. :blink: But trust me, everyone in the vehicle gets banned. I don't disbelieve you, I just find it disturbing that it would be possible to be completely innocent and get a driving ban, and if we are talking 1831 law, you could probably still be deported for hare poaching, now there's an idea? It really is time that the laws relating to field sports was picked up and the dust shook out of it. I would be interested to see which part of the 1831 game laws that this is however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Daytime trespass in pursuit/search of game, section 30 game act 1831 the sweet, sweet thing about this piece of legislation is that no hare or game needs to be caught or chased. and no dogs have to be slipped. if you are on land as a tresspasser with a dog, thats it... There are other things we report/arrest for too. such as off road driving, section 34 of the road traffic act. if you went to tesco as a passenger and the driver shoplifted you wouldn't get a ban. in that context the application may be used against people who make a living from it, travel great distances and travel those distance for one purpose alone. besides I think that would be a bit harsh. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Ooh erh, Methinks I am really going senile now!!! I respond on these threads and half the time its just a wind up to me,!! I have been warned by Cranfield that the number of complaints about my posts have now put me on the edge of a permanate Ban against myself!! Ooh Erh, :blink: Most of my rants which upset the PC brigade amongst your midst know it only happens when I am in a booze fuelled rage about what I feel about the way our Great Country is being led to oblivion!!! This enrages the PC members in our ranks to winge to the Mods re, my posts! and has resulted in my forthcoming ban.I am saddened really that the PC complainers amongsters us havent the guts to post on here why they dont want my thoughts to be put on this site!!..... Oh Well whatever will be, cheers . Ron , Bman1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Daytime trespass in pursuit/search of game, section 30 game act 1831 the sweet, sweet thing about this piece of legislation is that no hare or game needs to be caught or chased. and no dogs have to be slipped. if you are on land as a tresspasser with a dog, thats it... There are other things we report/arrest for too. such as off road driving, section 34 of the road traffic act. if you went to tesco as a passenger and the driver shoplifted you wouldn't get a ban. in that context the application may be used against people who make a living from it, travel great distances and travel those distance for one purpose alone. besides I think that would be a bit harsh. :blink: Hate to keep on about this, but there is nothing in the 1831 acts re driving disqualification, possibly because cars were not invented? My original question was/is how is it possible for a passenger to receive a driving ban if he commits a crime on foot? I would have thought that if this is correct, and was widely publicised, and acted upon by the courts, it would be the biggest deterrant to coursing available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Will bring a copy of the application home tomorrow. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 We don't use the hunting act FM. Believe it or not, Game Act 1831. Section 30 if any one wants to google that :blink: What I was saying is some of the more casual coursers may have packed in after the act came into force and as a result there are less out poaching anyway? FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Daytime trespass in pursuit/search of game, section 30 game act 1831 the sweet, sweet thing about this piece of legislation is that no hare or game needs to be caught or chased. and no dogs have to be slipped. if you are on land as a tresspasser with a dog, thats it... There are other things we report/arrest for too. such as off road driving, section 34 of the road traffic act. if you went to tesco as a passenger and the driver shoplifted you wouldn't get a ban. in that context the application may be used against people who make a living from it, travel great distances and travel those distance for one purpose alone. besides I think that would be a bit harsh. :blink: Hate to keep on about this, but there is nothing in the 1831 acts re driving disqualification, possibly because cars were not invented? My original question was/is how is it possible for a passenger to receive a driving ban if he commits a crime on foot? I would have thought that if this is correct, and was widely publicised, and acted upon by the courts, it would be the biggest deterrant to coursing available. Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 sure they can use this regarding motors and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Will bring a copy of the application home tomorrow. :blink: Well done, me typing finger is getting weary! Just as a curio, the police had no direct authority as to poachers untill the Poaching Prevention Act of 1862, it was this act that introduced the confiscation of "guns, nets, engines (traps) and carts etc". and powers of search in cases of suspected poaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Thats right, dead game. we use section 2 for the power of search, but we must see the vehicle leave land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt1754 Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 FM, the hunting act relates to coursing events such as the waterloo cup, with betting slips, marshalls etc which is why we use the game act. The casual coursers would have to have stopped to when the hunting act came in as part of section 5 makes it illigal for landowners to give permission. there would have been a slight decline at the intoduction of the act, but i don't think it would have been that significant IMHO. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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