SirMorris Posted March 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Well, very hesitant i am !! after i decided to go for the escort, the Baikal option came back to play in my head..... the clip on youtube was very convincing!! and i still hate the ESCORT written on the fore -end! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodmedod.one Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 My vote goes to the Beretta. I would not touch a Remington again , three of us in my club bought one at the same time, we used to carry a tool box with us, with two trays of spares. I can not think of one ocasion that all three guns were still working after a clay shoot. Pretty guns, but reliable? No way. We all replaced them with Berreta's, no problems at all since.Can't speak on the other makes that you mention, as I have not owned them, but the Escort seems to becoming popular around here for wildfowling. I used to have a Remi 1100 and now have a Remi 11-87. Apart from the gas seal "O" ring splitting occasionally when you pull the gun apart to clean it they have never gone wrong. They are a bit on the heavy side though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 I have an Escort Synthetic black 3" Magnum 12g use it for clays with 28grams, pigeons and rough shooting with 32 and 36 grams, it gets covered in mud/water/dust and just gets a quick clean and it is a fantastic gun, out of 350-400 cartridges i've had 1 jam and it's thrown out the next live cartridge with the previous fired empty twice but i can live with 3 out of 350-400 Top value and a great semi auto in my opinion. Regards, Garry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 My vote goes to the Beretta. I would not touch a Remington again , three of us in my club bought one at the same time, we used to carry a tool box with us, with two trays of spares. I can not think of one ocasion that all three guns were still working after a clay shoot. Pretty guns, but reliable? No way. We all replaced them with Berreta's, no problems at all since.Can't speak on the other makes that you mention, as I have not owned them, but the Escort seems to becoming popular around here for wildfowling. I used to have a Remi 1100 and now have a Remi 11-87. Apart from the gas seal "O" ring splitting occasionally when you pull the gun apart to clean it they have never gone wrong. They are a bit on the heavy side though. Hodmedod?? That's a word that brought back childhood memories, have not heard it or seen it written for....errr, many years. I would have thought that you should change your name to escargot now, to be politically correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 dont get an escort had problems from day one when i had mine u get what u pay for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirMorris Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 i have been told the same thing about the Webley and Scott turkish made S/A. I am now seriously considering a Baikal MP-153. However my gun dealer is not sure about the abundance of spare parts. need to make up my mind very soon though! About the escort, it is very tempting the 3 years warranty they give!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 my baikal was a great gun i would have another before the tukish guns you ve heard the old saying you get what you pay for. baikals go for ever and less to go wrong with it built stronger as well. see what suits you first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirMorris Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 my baikal was a great gun i would have another before the tukish guns you ve heard the old saying you get what you pay for. baikals go for ever and less to go wrong with it built stronger as well. see what suits you first Ever had problems with Baikal spare parts? what about Mossberg are they worth the money?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 My choice would be in this order..... 1. Remmy 1187 2. Baikal MP153 3. Save some more money until you can afford the above. Also have a good look for a used Beretta 300 series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodit Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 AL391 urika 3000 plus rounds fired 2 failures to feed 2nd round! Works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 I had a go with a Benelli 12g on sunday and was suprised at how light it was and how light the cycle / recoil was Had to admit i liked it. Iv not really herd of them much over here, anyone know why ? The world record for the 10 clays hand launched at once and shot was set with the benelli.they cant be that bad or are they just expensive ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 i have been told the same thing about the Webley and Scott turkish made S/A. I am now seriously considering a Baikal MP-153. However my gun dealer is not sure about the abundance of spare parts. need to make up my mind very soon though!About the escort, it is very tempting the 3 years warranty they give!! Take the plunge and buy one..... I bought one for rough shooting (20g) ..... Was going to buy another Beretta.... (love 'em had 3 thru the years) However this cost me the same as 1000 shells. Will I be bothered if I run it over with my truck? Nope. Big swinger for me, one of the internal parts was looking shabby, ( a clip on the bolt slide) rung up Edgars looking to buy one Monday..... 2 arrived in post this morning FOC......! Big Thanks to Dave Thompson at Edgars..... And with back up like that (Better than GMK) I'll stick with my £200 Turkish landfiller! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Never heard of anyone needing spares for the Biakal. Mine stands up to snow\rain\mud\ paddling the boat and clubbing the odd seal very well. Seriously its a good gun for wildfowling , but I find it a bit awkward to handle in a pigeon hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerman Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 spent a lot of time researching what s/a to get and (as per signature) i went for the 391. original budget was £300 but i found that the beretta 300 series though reliable, just wasnt as sweet to swing as the 391. remmi's were heavy and whilst you can pick up an escort new for the same price as a 20 year old beretta, there is a reason for that! buy a second hand 391 now for £500 and in a couple of years you should sell it for the same. buy an escort and your resale price is sh*te, the market is flooded with them and why buy one second hand when you can pick them up new for next to nothing? as has been said, a gun to lob in the back of the truck and leave uncleaned for months at a time - might aswell go the way of the escort, but it will never handle the same as a beretta and it'll never hold its value like one either. all the best, BM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 (edited) might aswell go the way of the escort, but it will never handle the same as a beretta and it'll never hold its value like one either. Whilst I couldnt agree more with all of your post about Berettas, ( I have owned 301, 303, 390 + 3 391s) I have to take issue with the above.... Will never handle like a Beretta? My Hatsan does otherwise I wouldnt own it. It handles every bit as well the 20g Urika I had a year ago. I will buy a cheap gun but I'll never buy one that doesnt fit or handle well 'just because its a bargain'.... That statement is misleading. Secondly.... as 2ndhand values run at around 50-60% of new ---- the Hatsan are actaully better value for money as you are loosing a much smaller amount. 50% of 300 is 150 --------- 50% of 1000 is 500...... For the depreciation of a Beretta in its first year you can buy 1.6 Hatsans..... Using this argument you cannot use the 2nd hand Beratta is better than new Hatsan because you must compare like for like...... Average Beretta 2ndhand = 500+ Average Hatsan 2ndhand = 150- 200. Soe even if you do use that argument.... You do not get a 3 yr warranty with a 2ndhand Beretta........ To compare the Hatsan to a Beretta is like comparing a Smart car to a Mercedes. Edited April 3, 2008 by The Burpster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerman Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 burpster you're quite right, i was working on the basis that the man's budget would never stretch to a new beretta, so new vs new for depreciation the hatsan does indeed win. however, second hand 391s are bought for around £500 and frequently sold on for the same. given that you can buy hatsan's new for £300, you would probably rather do that than buy a second hand one if your budget allows for it, in doing so though, whilst gaining a new gun, you have also lost £150. so my argument was more referring to the fact that a second hand beretta will keep your money safe, and in my opinion perform better. and whilst it could be said that second hand hatsan's level off at £150, (as the beretta does at £500) again you might aswell get a new one with the warranty given they're so cheap anyway. so if his budget would allow him, i was suggesting that whilst it is second hand vs new, the second hand will keep its value and in my opinion be more of a pleasure to shoot. there is always a reason more than a name that one is £1000 new and the other £300. however, with regard to my statement about handling, pologies mate, of course it is an individual thing, but i know me and a lot of my mates felt that way. so its just a matter of personal opinion isnt it. all the best, BM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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