pavman Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 the Tikka T3 .223 is on order, and I will need some new glass, I have the simmons white tale classic 6.5-20 X Mag with 50 mm objective and 25mm tubes on the Sako Quad .17 HMR which is doin me fine, question is do I get a new scope £150 ish for the .17 and fit the WTC to the new .223 or go for a newie on the T3, I would like the opinon of the PW charlie chasers as to what will work best plz cheers pavman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 S&B 8x56 all day long Light gathering and quality is truly amazing. Have a peep down one and make your own mind up. You can get a decent second hander for £350 and they are worth every penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 wot e said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Burpster Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Look at Burris and Leupold too... not a fan of S&B anymore after I had a duff one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 See if you can find a Gerhardt Nickel Supra 4-16x56. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 (edited) THERE IS A 7 X 50 MEOPTA GOING FOR £150 ON THE BBS - THATS A BLOODY BARGIN But i personally think you need more Mag for a 223 - because you can reach out and touch the long range stuff with some practice Edited April 28, 2008 by tulkyuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 That is what GaryB should be sticking on his new rimmy Mine was only £225 new so it isn't sale of the century, but they don't come up that often (few good scopes do ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted April 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 S&B 8x56 all day long Light gathering and quality is truly amazing. Have a peep down one and make your own mind up. You can get a decent second hander for £350 and they are worth every penny can i ask a stupid question why have 56mm objective lens with a 25mm tube? am i about to look silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 They are 30 mm or 1 ". "Sucky in light", that's all you need to know. Oh that and "buy rubbish, buy twice" and "don't eat yellow snow". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Andy, a 1" tube is normally classed as 25mm mate not 30mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 30mm tube gives more adjustment than a 1" tube. It makes no difference to scope brightness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted April 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 They are 30 mm or 1 ". "Sucky in light", that's all you need to know. Oh that and "buy rubbish, buy twice" and "don't eat yellow snow". umm lets not fight but 25mm on my Vernia Caliper which is the tube on suggested modle the S&B, is in fact the metric inch and 30mm is the next size tube up (as in not on the S& my thought process being "Sucky in light", that's all you need to know my head hurts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Some 30mm tubes have a smaller tube inside them. There's only a certain amount of light that the eye will accept anyway. Can't remember the optimum but its to do with objective size&zoom&tube. Someone will know the maths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 (edited) But i personally think you need more Mag for a 223 - because you can reach out and touch the long range stuff with some practice I'd suggest something like 4-16 for magnification, 200 yards and farther out things get veeeeery small very fast. Fixed mag is good in that there is less to mess with but, as it says on the tin, it's fixed isn't it? I like options. When I'm buying any half decent scope and upwards I always go 30mm tube size, mostly because I've watched Dr Strangelove too many times and don't want a tube size gap opening up... My scope's objective is 56mm so I have it set on 8x as normal, works for me. If I need a wider field of view I go back down to 5.5x, if I need to, as Tulky put it, reach out and touch something, then up she goes usually to 15x or so but where ever looks best. If it were me I'd buy a ridiculously expensive variable scope with a reticle I loved and great glass, but then again that's why I'm working two jobs now isn't it Oh yes, one other thing. If you do go variable, please try to ensure your lowest magnification isn't some silly high number A wider field of view at a lower mag can be extremely useful at times. Edited April 28, 2008 by JohnGalway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 But i personally think you need more Mag for a 223 - because you can reach out and touch the long range stuff with some practice I'd suggest something like 4-16 for magnification, 200 yards and farther out things get veeeeery small very fast. Fixed mag is good in that there is less to mess with but, as it says on the tin, it's fixed isn't it? I like options. When I'm buying any half decent scope and upwards I always go 30mm tube size, mostly because I've watched Dr Strangelove too many times and don't want a tube size gap opening up... My scope's objective is 56mm so I have it set on 8x as normal, works for me. If I need a wider field of view I go back down to 5.5x, if I need to, as Tulky put it, reach out and touch something, then up she goes usually to 15x or so but where ever looks best. If it were me I'd buy a ridiculously expensive variable scope with a reticle I loved and great glass, but then again that's why I'm working two jobs now isn't it Oh yes, one other thing. If you do go variable, please try to ensure your lowest magnification isn't some silly high number A wider field of view at a lower mag can be extremely useful at times. Yep, that works for me, just be aware that many cheaper scopes change their zero when you change the magnification, expensive scopes don't. Zeiss Diavari V 3-12 x 56 with a 30mm trube works well for me on my 223, I have seen nothing to beat it at dusk and dawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveK Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Your confusing what your eye will accept with the concept known as the exit pupil of the scope, any bigger than 7mm is a waste of time as the mazimum size youe own pupil will ope to is around 7mm, hence why you have 6x42, 8x56 and 7x50(should be 49 really) as common specifications with fixed mag scopes as when you divide the objective lens size by the mag, you get the magic 7mm exit pupil. The amount of light coming through that 7mm image is still open to be good or bad depending on the quality of the glass but that is why you dont get "decent" scopes with spoecifications like 8x80 etc. You're right Mr Fister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Andy, a 1" tube is normally classed as 25mm mate not 30mm I have two S&B 8x56's. One said 30mm on the box and the other 1". You couldn't tell 'em apart. I knew the 1" one must have been true because LV looked at it and said "hey, that's exactly half the size of my penis when angry". So there you have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 I have two S&B 8x56's. One said 30mm on the box and the other 1". You couldn't tell 'em apart. I knew the 1" one must have been true because LV looked at it and said "hey, that's exactly half the size of my penis when angry". So there you have it. Very strange - your scopes not LV's trouser snake ( although i wouldn't like to comment on how strange that is) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 LV makes a good living subbing out his trouser snake to the local specialist engineering companies when their micrometers pack up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted April 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 LV makes a good living subbing out his trouser snake to the local specialist engineering companies when their micrometers pack up. this is not about scopes any more is it, fess up Mung, get it out it will only fester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 But i personally think you need more Mag for a 223 - because you can reach out and touch the long range stuff with some practice I'd suggest something like 4-16 for magnification, 200 yards and farther out things get veeeeery small very fast. Fixed mag is good in that there is less to mess with but, as it says on the tin, it's fixed isn't it? I like options. When I'm buying any half decent scope and upwards I always go 30mm tube size, mostly because I've watched Dr Strangelove too many times and don't want a tube size gap opening up... My scope's objective is 56mm so I have it set on 8x as normal, works for me. If I need a wider field of view I go back down to 5.5x, if I need to, as Tulky put it, reach out and touch something, then up she goes usually to 15x or so but where ever looks best. If it were me I'd buy a ridiculously expensive variable scope with a reticle I loved and great glass, but then again that's why I'm working two jobs now isn't it Oh yes, one other thing. If you do go variable, please try to ensure your lowest magnification isn't some silly high number A wider field of view at a lower mag can be extremely useful at times. Yep, that works for me, just be aware that many cheaper scopes change their zero when you change the magnification, expensive scopes don't. Zeiss Diavari V 3-12 x 56 with a 30mm trube works well for me on my 223, I have seen nothing to beat it at dusk and dawn. Got the exact same scope and cannot fault it one bit so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Mungler recently 'saw the light' and will soon remember the best variable scope he has looked through I still think for shooting quite big stuff at medium ranges the S&B 8x56 is hard to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Mungler recently 'saw the light' and will soon remember the best variable scope he has looked through I still think for shooting quite big stuff at medium ranges the S&B 8x56 is hard to beat. But have you ever looked through a Zeiss Diavari V 3-12 x 56 with a 30mm tube in the lamp stuart p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 But have you ever looked through a Zeiss Diavari V 3-12 x 56 with a 30mm tube in the lamp stuart p No. But. I have seen a house fly I have even seen a horse fly I guess I have just about everything, but I have never seen an elephant fly . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Have you seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion and C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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