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I have to agree with Chard.

 

Having worked at CPSA for 5 years I cant say I ever saw any anti-hunting philosophy.

 

CPSA is a Governing Body whose remit is to run Clay Competition. Thats why it exists. By definition, its involvement with field shooting is minimal. How-ever, a large portion of its directors, staff and members are game shooters as well as clay shooters.

 

What the CPSA does realise, is that the shooting voice is fragmented. It wants the shooting bodies to join together so there is a bigger and more powerful lobby for keeping shooting alive. As long as it wants this objective, it will never be able to divorce itself from recognising field shooting runs parallel to its objectives.

 

The CPSA is presently involved in the NATS project, an iniative to join NRA, NSRA, CPSA and some other shooting organisations together. CPSA would also like a single UK Clay shooting body, rather than the several we have now ( Wales, Scotland. England, IoM, Ch Is, NI ).

 

When representing shooters and countryside, numbers count. 25,000 CPSA members are meaningless to politicians. 100,000 shooters may have a message. 250,000 will have some clout - , 500,000 joined up will have real pressure. Getting together is good for our sport and industry.

 

Jerry

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the biggest downside to the acadamy is the cost. i looked into last year and was put off by the fact i would have to spend £1000 to get L1 status.

i doubt very much i could get sponsorship for that and it would take a rather long time to claw back that money.

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Hi Again

 

I am still reading with great interest and think that any person who takes on the responsibilty of teaching someone to shoot should just pray to God that they never end up in the witness box with a top barrister asking them just exactly what recognised qualifications they have that gave them the right to teach someone to shoot.

 

Unfortunately, I dont think in this day and age saying 30, 40, 80 or a 100 years experience would count. I agree that they would probably have the experience to teach somebody to shoot but without that bit of paper they are leaving themselves wide open to litigation without any defence. It would be interesting to see what stance their insurance company would take, because as we all know they are as slippery as an eel in a tub of grease looking for any excuse to get out of an agreement. It could be goodbye house, goodbye car and hello tent. Our insurance cost us in excess of £700 a year. We live in an age of litigation where a family sued an instructor for £5,000 for letting their daughter bruise her cheek and missing a modelling assignment.

 

Any instructor who has not had a CRB check which enables them to work with youngsters had also better make sure that they have a chaperone with them at all times that they are with the youngster. This again is to safeguard themselves as much as the youngster. It must always be remembered that as an instructor - whether qualified or not - you have a duty of care to your pupil.

 

All of the above apply whether you are instructing a paying customer or just a friend.

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Hmmm,

 

Some valid points there, you and Clayman are obviously going to get on like a house on fire..??

 

Why don't you fill in your profile, a lot of members won't talk to new members in never-never land..??

 

Looking forward to some interesting debates. :unsure:

 

Cat.

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Guys,

 

Hope you do not mind me putting in my thoughts.

 

20 years ago I got my first shotgun. In those days I was in Dunstable- Beds, and went along to Broomhill SG. No lessons, just my new Lanber Filed and a couple of boxes of Broomhill cartridges. Shot 76 ex 100 on sporting . Next week went back shot 80 ex 100, then 85 then 83, then 85. Went to a few other grounds same sort of scores. Thought nothing of it. No interested in competition shooting, just shoot for fun.

 

Anyway, one day at a shoot a guy has been watching me says, he recons if I had a few lessons I could get even better. OK thought I nothing to loose……

 

Had the lesson- coach says, ‘you got a right master eye’

 

What says I?

 

He says, ‘you shoot off your left shoulder, the master eye is pulling your gun to the right – you need to correct this shut one eye, or put some grease on one lense of you glasses or swap shoulders if it is really bad’

 

Oh says I?

 

And ‘ says he’ your stance is wrong, you need to stand like this’

 

Oh says I?

 

‘And the way you mount the gun, its all wrong, start with the barrels higher up say he’

 

Oh says I

 

So I try to do what he say – shut this, grease that , swap the other, put this foot here, hold gun here - Christ what’s all this about- I’ve been doing it all wrong.

 

Now I am lucky if I hit 60 ex 100 – more likely to be 45 x100 – just cant get it out of my head, stance is wrong, eyes are wrong, mount is wrong…..

 

Guess the moral here is if it aint broke don’t fix it!

 

David (I could have been a contender)

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And that was my point earlier on, most instructors I have had dealings with have tried to change the way I shoot to the approved CPSA method. Only 2 have actually built on the way I shoot and encouraged me.

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Hi Dave

 

Well I could not agree with you more it seems to me if a car has a loose wheel you fix the wheel you dont strip and rebuild the whole car. In your case if I was your instructor I would have asked you what your averages were and the mid 80s are pretty good so then I would ask you what were the targets that seemed to be giving you trouble and then concentrate on them only.

 

Its been my experience that a problem with a specific target is usualy down to the lack of the technique needed to break it consistantly. Then this becomes a physolocigal wall where the shooter convinces him/her self that they are going to miss even before they shout pull. How many times have I heard someone say 'oh no I'm no good on bolting rabbits I always miss them'. Well now you have convinced your self that you will miss you will. So I agree if aint broke dont fix it.

 

If you have a complete novice shooter then you go through everything with them but a shooter with many years experience but who has a specific problem then you help to fix that problem.

 

Alan

 

PS Hi Jerry!(Clayman)

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Hi Alan,

 

Welcome to the mad house.

 

Alan's been coaching more years than I have, and we know each other well.

 

About 5 yrs back, I spent and evening with him and Mike ( about whom this whole debate started) - doing the hard sell of the CPSA courses.

 

Both had a lot of reservations, but did decide to take the training.

 

5 years on, I'd be interested to know how worthwhile they felt that decision was.

 

Over to you Double A

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Hi Jerry

 

Well where do I start?! Both Mike and myself run a corporate clay pigeon shooting company which we started when the club that we ran for twenty years plus folded due to the foot and mouth epidemic. We moved to a smaller ground to run the company. We both quickly realised that although we had been giving free tuition in all that time that we really needed to be qualified to do so for all the reasons that have been previously stated.

 

At first we approached the BASC and eventually were given a mentor. However, it quickly went downhill from there - emails not answered, phone messages not replied to etc. etc. It seemed we were going nowhere very fast. At this point we got into discussion with Jerry and quickly got booked on to the course with the CPSA.

 

On the first day of the course I seem to recall we had 24 candidates and on the last day of the course we were down to 11. This seemed to be mainly because some people decided the course was too difficult for them. I have been led to believe that this is about average for this type of course.

 

The information given on the course was excellent and helped to fill in the holes in our knowledge and teaching abilities. Although we thought we knew it all before, we quickly realised that we didn't! I think that I can safely say this on Mike's behalf as well.

 

As far as I am concerned the course was worth every penny and I also understand this for the BASC course as well but I can not really comment on that because we never got to go on it. I have got no axe to grind over this as I am also a BASC member as well as CPSA. I can only speak as I find.

 

Alan

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