Guest cookoff013 Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 First hang fire ever. pulled the trigger, "clink" i thought eh? and it fired about 2 seconds after pulling the trigger. not quite a brown trouser moment. i was in a pen, shouldered gun. i missed the clay too. chaps be carefull out there ! just to recap you youngsters, any misfire point in a safe direction shoulderd is fine. wait 2 minutes. unload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Will do thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 How common are misfires? I had never seen it happen, and one day at a comp there were 3, not mine but saw them!!! Like you said, pointed in a safe direction waited a while and nothing, then the chap pulled the carts out and placed them on a timber, which made my pants slightly brown, until some other chap buried them business end down in the mud... around 10 min later, pumfff, a small crater where one was buried. The other two didnt go off.. Why does this happen? from what i gather and told its something like a slow buring primer??? which leads to my next question... how exactly does a primer work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badger007 Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 What were you shooting, carts ?? Thanks for the reminder ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Had a few misfires many years ago. Waited 5 seconds, opened up the gun and popped it in to the other barrel and called for the next pair. They all worked. This means a hard primer usually. I've never experienced any delays in it going off, and even if it did outside of a breech it wouldn't do much harm. Without the confines of a breech, a cartridge will just piff and that'll be it. They aren't like hand grenades or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEINVISIBLESCARECROW Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Had a few over the years. Cut open & give the lead to a reloader. Put powder into an ash tray & er, don't try this at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 How common are misfires? I had never seen it happen, and one day at a comp there were 3, not mine but saw them!!! Like you said, pointed in a safe direction waited a while and nothing, then the chap pulled the carts out and placed them on a timber, which made my pants slightly brown, until some other chap buried them business end down in the mud... around 10 min later, pumfff, a small crater where one was buried. The other two didnt go off.. Why does this happen? from what i gather and told its something like a slow buring primer??? which leads to my next question... how exactly does a primer work? A primer requires a direct hit from a pin or any other sharp implement to set it's glass like particles off .I have had numerous misfires on centre fire cal but one including a shot gun cartridge going off 10 minutes later ...........I don't think so . If someone does happen to find themself in this awkward senario then point the gun in a safe direction for a minute at the very least and upon extracting the round handle with care .As for myself I carefully removed the bullet head and reclaimed the powder as I homeload . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I had it happen, pulled trigger......nothing, then it fired a few moments after as the gun was lowered, thankfully down range. Did put me off a little to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter De La Mare Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Not letting go of the trigger after the first barrel can cause similar symptoms. Seen that happen more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 misfires are quite common. 1 in 5000. or so. probly due to the cart not the gun. hangfires are not common. first one i`ve ever had. the cartridges have all been fine. (the 1.5 k i used.) i have used a gun that pierced the primers and light struck them. it was a well known fault with the gun. keep safe out there. incidently my first misfire / hangfire incident with my beretta, almost 4 years without incident ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBore Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 I've read all above comments - so what is the ideal and safest way to deal with this situation if the cartidge doesn't go bang? Perhaps a step-by-step procedure for newbs like myself would be handy. Ta all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 -pull trigger, [click] -point in safe area / usually where your shooting anyway. -shoulder the gun, pointing in safe area, wait 2 minutes. 1 or 2 things should happen -hangfires should fire off before 2 minutes. shouldered, pointing in safe area. unload hangfired shell. check the primer, for light strike / damage. also might be a broken pin. -misfires, after 2 minute wait, unload shell, shell should be ejected using ejectors. check the primer, for light strike / damage. also might be a broken pin. i might be yelled at for saying this. but i`d reload the shell and re fire it. if its a total dud i`ll destroy by dismantleing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJN Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 I can't hold a gun shouldered for 2 minutes, just keep it pointed down range. had a couple of missfires on 12g carts, never a hangfire, most I put down to a defective gun. M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBore Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Ok, so a hangfire is a slow burning fuse that will eventually fire given a minute or two, if not then check the primer for strike mark, if no strike mark then it could be an issue with the gun, if there is a strike mark then it could be a missfire - pull out the cart - i've heard of people suggesting bury the thing in the ground with the business end pointing down - what would happen if the cart 'fired' while out of the chamber and being placed in the ground - would it take a finger/hand off!!! Unlikely as it is of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 I have shot my way through a good 5,000 .22 rounds and had a mis-fire once. I actually came close to errr. soiling myself . As i was on a deadly silent range with 3 experienced shooters who were shooting for their county at the time. I unloaded VERY slowly after a min or two and placed the defective round under my heavy scope base. After the shoot i handed the shell to one of the older men who clearly looked unamused. He quickly put the round in his weapon and fired, waited, bang. So this round was a mis-hang-fire round??? That ever happend to anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 ive never had this problem. them .22 pellets can go off at any time when the get hot sounds serious though. stay safe kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libs Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 I dont know if you watch the american TV show Mythbusters, but they managed to fire .22LR rounds by running a current through them, they got hot and instantly fired. weird thing is, the casing does more damage because its lighter, the heavy head more or less bounces off of what it hits, makes sense really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Mis-fires with rimfire ammo often happen because the priming compound is not applied consistently inside the rim. I had a box of Winchester subs where I had mis-fires. Re-chambering the rounds, to align the firing pin with a different portion of the rim, worked on all the dud rounds. I've never had a hang fire with a shotgun or centrefire. But I do recall clearly the sphincter-dilating moment when experiencing a hang-fire with 155mm gun in an AS90. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harpoonlouis Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 When you clean your gun please make sure you drop the firing pins out and clean the shoulder of the pin and the base of the hole. Powder residue can build up as a super hard layer on the two faces and can get to look like the polished surface of the pin until you scrape it and it flakes off. I was seeing a few to many mis-fires at our clay club and set up a bench to drop the pins out of any club members gun who didn't want to do it themselves. Some hadn't been taken out in 10years plus! Dramatic reduction in "mis-fires". Never had a slow burn on a round but a grenade yes, just how long do you wait? Long enough for the Disposal quad to arrive then ****** off sharpish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 (edited) @ harpoonlouis. good point about checking the pins, i normally check the face of the primer. my beretta has not been serviced yet. i think its time. i`m waiting for my new toy to arrive. i`ll have it serviced when its here. nowadays there isnt too many bad cartridges. so the likleyhood of anyone having experience in this is limited. -just reminding youngsters, that the inexpected can happen. ps, DONT FORGET TO CHECK FOR BLOCKAGES IN BARRELS / CONE / CHAMBER AFTER ! Edited August 11, 2008 by cookoff013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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