flash Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 (edited) was originally going to apply for all the calibres on my dads license as i would be using the same rifles. but ive decided this may not work as the rifles are based in surrey for most of the year, so wouldnt work well for me. in the end ive settled on two calibres: .22 rimmy for rabbits and target shooting. .243 for foxes, roe and muntjack, and target shooting. im joining the local range(outskirts of my village), which has up to 200 yrds. have around 25 acres next to the village for rabbits with the rimmy. nearly 300 acres in north devon for rabbits, fox and roe deer. would you say that this is suitable grounds for the calibres ive asked for? Edited August 8, 2008 by flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootingman Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 You can't shoot Roe in England or Wales with a .223 m8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted August 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 hmm, for some reason i thought the law had changed and .223 was now suitable for roe and muntjack. after looking on the internet, i have learned the error of my ways. i meant .243 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 You were partly right the first time; For Muntjac and Chinese Water deer only- a rifle with a minimum calibre of not less than .220 inches and muzzle energy of not less than 1000 foot pounds and a bullet weight of not less than 50 grains may be used. For all other deer of any species - a minimum calibre of .240 and minimum muzzle energy of 1,700 foot pounds is the legal requirement. Your ground suitability will be decided more on how many footpaths, public access etc. rather than the acreage. Apply and see is the only way to go, you could check if others shoot or have shot the area previously and with what calibres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 All they ask is 'good reason' Flash, if you think you have that, go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted August 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 the rabbiting land in my village is cleared up to 308, and the son of the owner of the farm on exmoor has had the land cleared for his 22, 243 and 308. and as far as i know there is only one foot path on the land, right on the edge of the farm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 the rabbiting land in my village is cleared up to 308, and the son of the owner of the farm on exmoor has had the land cleared for his 22, 243 and 308.and as far as i know there is only one foot path on the land, right on the edge of the farm. If it's already cleared for these calibres, go for it, at least they can't claim that the land is unsuitable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted August 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 first need to find a cabinet and a suitable place in the house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Well do so then! I am no longer going to put up with 'I'm bored.' comments on MSN. If you dare say that again you will be told in a far from un-certain manner to get looking and get your forms! FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted August 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 lol, u love it really ollie, keeps u on ur toes. that and my bad spelling on anti hunters bebo sites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 All I'm saying is if we are going to bash their beliefs and everything about them then our spelling must be in top form. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 All I'm saying is if we are going to bash their beliefs and everything about them then our spelling must be in top form. FM Have you been on the Woodpecker already Ollie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 All I'm saying is if we are going to bash their beliefs and everything about them then our spelling must be in top form. FM Hmmm, maybe our posture could be improved a tad also; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted August 8, 2008 Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 Why not go for the .17hmr instead of the .22??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted August 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2008 it is tempting, and almost makes sense, as they may not lile me applying for the 243 for foxes as well as deer. will getting the .17 be more difficult then a .22? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilv Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 (edited) it is tempting, and almost makes sense, as they may not lile me applying for the 243 for foxes as well as deer. will getting the .17 be more difficult then a .22? Hi Flash. Good to be starting out so young. Think of all the fun you have ahead of you mate. I just want to chime in with something about the .17. I just got one and it's a hell of a lot of fun. I've been shooting .22 rimfire for 28 years on and off and working out hold over can be a right pain. My misses are usually either over or under because the terrain has deceived my judgment of distance. Not so with the HMR. Just point it and squeeze and the bunny drops or explodes. I'm really loving mine and 100 yard rabbits are now commonplace instead of a dubious, unethical gamble. Got another one at 140 yards last night and that's with a naff little Nikko Sterling 4x32 scope I got free with an air rifle. I still get out the old CZ452 and stroke it. I even cleaned it yesterday. Anointed it with Hoppes No 9 and put it back in the cupboard. Then there's the cost of ammo to think of. Twenty pence a shot as against a lot less. Good luck anyway mate - having the land and a good character means you'll almost certainly get whatever you decide you want. EDIT: By the way, 17HMR as you likely know already has a safety advantage over .22 - lower risk of ricochet. When I applied for my recent hmr variation, I just wrote a short letter saying there were situations on some of my shooting places where the high risk of ricochet meant I needed an HMR. I got it back 8 days later, duly altered. I think in some ways, the cops like them better than .22, and listening to some of the whining ricochets I got in July when the ground was dry, I'm not surprised. Edited August 9, 2008 by Evilv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted August 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 what other alternatives are there that are suitable for deer and target? i was recomended 6.5x55 by a friend, due to the low recoil, but huge stopping power. anyone got much experience with this calibre? cheers flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerico Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 best reasons behind getting .223 and .22 rimmy It's a lot safer then being in front of one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 what other alternatives are there that are suitable for deer and target? i was recomended 6.5x55 by a friend, due to the low recoil, but huge stopping power.anyone got much experience with this calibre? It's a thorny old subject so don't expect the same two answers from any two people If you are talking .243 vs 6.5, the main differences would be be the .243 is flatter shooting and probably the best all round calibre for fox and deer, with possible (highly debated) limitations on the larger deer. The 6.5 has a relatively loopy trajectory in compared to the .243, but will give you the option of a bit more stopping power with loads up 160grn+ if you need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted August 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 sounds like 243 is better suited to me then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 best reasons behind getting .223 and .22 rimmy It's a lot safer then being in front of one Giggles. .243 on first application is too amitious. Good luck nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flash Posted August 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 u never know, on dads first application he got 7.62, .22, .243 and 30 06 and an open cert, so i may get lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 .243 on first application is too amitious. Good luck nonetheless. I got .22 and 6.5 on my first application, maybe I am amitious? not sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Fox Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) A guy i know was granted a 243 on his first application, if you have just cause and reason i cant see a problem:good:? Edited August 13, 2008 by Hot-Shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 A guy i know was granted a 243 on his first application, if you have just cause and reason i cant see a problem:good:? Yep, if you wanted to go deerstalking (good reason), you would apply for a 243 or larger, and get it. A lad near here has had his first application, for a 308 granted, and it was an open ticket, as are most deerstalkers tickets. The suggestion that a deerstalker would have to buy a 22rf, then work his way up to a large calibre is ludicrous. If you have "good reason" for any calibre, it will be granted, subject to character checks of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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