sirusman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) Double post sorry Edited December 10, 2008 by sirusman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 why is it that people seem to want SACS to implode? i was under the impression that we should be supporting the cause, rather than bickering if we dont agree on certain things. :( Im a member of neither party, but there appears to be a lots of SACS bashing going on. If you dont want to join them, dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I take your point, perhaps instead of asking for donations (and thus running the risk of upsetting a few members) SACS have decided that as they evidently need significant improvement in their communication strategy thy will raise the money to help them to do this with this by taking away or restricting one of the membership benefits without telling the members first! But given that the benefit they cut was their key method of en masse communication with the membership…….. :( David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 why is it that people seem to want SACS to implode? i was under the impression that we should be supporting the cause, rather than bickering if we dont agree on certain things. :( Im a member of neither party, but there appears to be a lots of SACS bashing going on. If you dont want to join them, dont. Correct Martin but only if you join their gang,if not they thrive on gloating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Hello Mr Kettle, have you met Mr Black, Or is it just a case of the fox calling the badger hairya r s e? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Have BASC offered any kind of help or support to SACS whilst they are having internal issues? Would it not be better for the sport all round if you David, and some of your bods got together and offered help of some sort, by way of financial, clerical...ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Have BASC offered any kind of help or support to SACS whilst they are having internal issues? Would it not be better for the sport all round if you David, and some of your bods got together and offered help of some sort, by way of financial, clerical...ect. Having a larfe aint yer Martin, all about self justification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Are you serious? Not sure what business you are in, would you do this in your line of work? Well OK I see where you are coming from, time for BASC to make an offer to all SACS members. Here is my offer to SACS members, come join BASC and leave all the apparent administrative trouble behind you – we will welcome you with open arms. And we promise to run BASC as a truly democratic membership organisation, that will do its very best to effectively communicate with its members – and not go into silent retreat when things get tough – how’s that? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 HaHA that sums it up nice offer thanks but no thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Im a member of neither party, but there appears to be a lots of SACS bashing going on. If you dont want to join them, dont. I think they call it Karma Martin, have a read back through sme previous threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 BASC seems to get out the fanfare and use the "we are in it for the sport of shooting" thing a lot. If thats your answer David, i except that. Did you come to decision yourself, or have you ever debated this with the rest of your bods? As far as i can see, (and this is my view) BASC is a company that wants to focus on finance before the good name of shooting. Its an unfortunate thing that even in shooting, the ethics have been monopolised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I think they call it Karma Martin, have a read back through sme previous threads. i understand that Stu, but for a company to be doing "told you so", is a bit daft dont you think. If SACS are in trouble, let them get on with it without gloating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 BASC seems to get out the fanfare and use the "we are in it for the sport of shooting" thing a lot. If thats your answer David, i except that. Did you come to decision yourself, or have you ever debated this with the rest of your bods? As far as i can see, (and this is my view) BASC is a company that wants to focus on finance before the good name of shooting. Its an unfortunate thing that even in shooting, the ethics have been monopolised. Hoo bloody rah at last someone else has seen through the smoke screen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) BASC seems to get out the fanfare and use the "we are in it for the sport of shooting" thing a lot. If thats your answer David, i except that. Did you come to decision yourself, or have you ever debated this with the rest of your bods? As far as i can see, (and this is my view) BASC is a company that wants to focus on finance before the good name of shooting. Its an unfortunate thing that even in shooting, the ethics have been monopolised. thats my only bug bear about BASC Martin and seeing their rep bashing another organisation to me doesn't look professional. Edited December 10, 2008 by al4x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted December 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 martinmoreton BASC is not a company. It is an association, owned and controlled by its members. webber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 thats my only bug bear about BASC Martin and seeing their rep bashing another organisation to me doesn't look professional. Finance wise well I've got open access to companies house data and there certainly are a lot of fingers in pies relating to BASC, certainly to do with offering training and setting up companies to run training that hasn't even been made compulsory yet and we're not just talking DSC here. To me there is a financial aspect that I'm not entirely happy about with an organisation lobbying in our best interests should they be trying to influence FEO's and make them pretty much make the DSC mandatory which of course is in the interest of those with a business running the courses. Next you'll need a course before you get a shotgun licence and well lets just say the company has been set up ready. Business is business and increasingly charity is becoming big business Al4x, would you be happy to share this info with the board, if legaly you are allowed to? And of course if David has no objection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Take a look at the front page of the BASC web site and read our key objectives, that is what we do for shooting- and we deliver – not just make noise. Tell me please how any of this can be achieved without financial input. – Can’t be done can it – money has to come in – mainly through membership fees. To say that BASC is just about making money is crass and wrong! BASC is a not for profit organisation – BASC cannot make money or a profit! All the cash that comes from members has to go back into shooting! SACS, as I understand it, is unincorporated. Did I have to ask others is BASC would fund SACS – not I did not- as I know full well what the answer would be, not only from my fellow senior executives but more importantly from the member – who pay their money to BASC and expect BASC to use their money wisely to deliver membership benefits, but most importantly to meet our objectives. BASC members certainly do not pay membership fees to BASC so BASC can then filter these off to ailing organisations! Will your organisation be donating to SACS Martin? The question being asked is not what will BASC or others do for SACS but what will SACS do for itself- the silence is deafening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted December 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Can we please get this thread back on topic. If you want to have a poke at BASC, fine, but please do it in an appropriate place. webber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 martinmoreton BASC is not a company. It is an association, owned and controlled by its members. webber if it looks like a fish, and swims like a fish, it aint a frog. They a company. The main aim of all these organisations, associations, ect..ect.. is to sell membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted December 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Hoo bloody rah at last someone else has seen through the smoke screen I saw through the SACS smoke screen many months ago. Now that its blown away, others are asking questions. Unfortunately, answers to basic stuff are not forthcoming, leaving SACS members and others to draw their own conclusions. webber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 I saw through the SACS smoke screen many months ago. Now that its blown away, others are asking questions. Unfortunately, answers to basic stuff are not forthcoming, leaving SACS members and others to draw their own conclusions.webber And i agree with this completely. They have a responsibility to their members to give them a service that they have paid for, but there seems to be a smugness from BASC that is uncalled for. By the way, i myself will more than likley joining BASC next year, so as a potential member, im seeing this unfold before paying my fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David BASC Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 (edited) Martin you are totally wrong that BASC's objective is just to sell membership - please do not make statements like this – it helps no one. BASC is incorporated as an IPS - and have been for years. What we are and what we do is enshrined in our constitution. This however has nothing at all to do with this thread. Please start another thread on BASC's incorporated status is you wish with input from Al4x if you like but please do not hijack this thread OK? David Edited December 10, 2008 by David BASC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirusman Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Seems like someone has touch a raw nerve there,stones and glasshouses come to mind :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Come on all you 8 year olds, it is time for your afternoon nap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Martin you are totally wrong that BASC's objective is just to sell membership - please do not make statements like this – it helps no one. BASC is incorporated as an IPS - and have been for years. What we are and what we do is enshrined in our constitution. This however has nothing at all to do with this thread. Please start another thread on BASC's incorporated status is you wish with input from Al4x if you like but please do not hijack this thread OK? David if the shoe was on the other foot David, i dont think you would be asking me to start another thread, would you. As to keep it on thread without my posts being removed, has anybody from SACS had info regarding the internal issues. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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