jweaver Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 As I understanding it, a gun needs to be locked in a safe when its not in use, and I follow this rule religiously. But today I stripped my pump action and it got me thinking.. Whats the law regarding the storing of 'parts'? Even if your gun is just a collection of 'bits', does it still need to be stored as if it were a complete gun? Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsportshooter Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 As I understanding it, a gun needs to be locked in a safe when its not in use, and I follow this rule religiously. But today I stripped my pump action and it got me thinking.. Whats the law regarding the storing of 'parts'? Even if your gun is just a collection of 'bits', does it still need to be stored as if it were a complete gun? Jon Common sense mate. It's 'your' responsibility to secure your firearms/shotguns.... Ask youself this 'if a bit went missing could you go and buy it without a certificate' if the answer is no then it should probably be secured - not law but common sense. If you keep al the parts of one gun in one place and it's not secured then if someone stole it they would have a whole gun (albeit they would have to rebuild it). Its your ticket mate and your responsibility (law aside keeping your ticket comes down to the descretion of the FEO - oh and and I'm sure litligation to and fro from BASC should you be a memeber in that situation - should anything get nicked....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 The law relates to component parts of the gun, that is the bits of the gun or rifle that are essential to its working. So with a rifle that would include the trigger mechanism and bolt and the trigger mechanism on a shotgun. For some strange reason the law has also classified sound moderators as being component parts too. Anyway , in reply to your question I would say that if you would be locking away the component parts, why not just continue as you are and lock all the bits away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff-TRG Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 The law relates to component parts of the gun, that is the bits of the gun or rifle that are essential to its working. So with a rifle that would include the trigger mechanism and bolt and the trigger mechanism on a shotgun. For some strange reason the law has also classified sound moderators as being component parts too. Anyway , in reply to your question I would say that if you would be locking away the component parts, why not just continue as you are and lock all the bits away. Not technically correct...With regard to Firearms (shotguns are different again) look at component parts as being pressure bearing. Triggers, stocks, mounts etc are not pressure bearing and as such do not need to be kept locked away. In a similar way to an un-chambered barrel - since it cannot be pressure bearing without a chamber it does not need to be locked away. Though considering the value of the extra 5 Jewel triggers and three NXS's I have here, I'd be daft not to keep them under lock and key! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 "Not technically correct"? You will find that trigger mechanisms do form a component part of a firearm (the trigger blade itself would not) as I have previously stated, also any part of the firearm which is essential to its functioning. Sound moderators though do not come under this definition as the firearm is capable of functioning without it, but has been decreed by parliament to be a component part. At least thats what I learned at Police training school when they covered the Firearms Act 1968 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 ring your FEO and ask him/her. If you are not happy to ring the FEO, then I have to ask why you dont want to? If you think that he will tell you to put it all in the safe and thats why you dont want to ask him, then as he is the one that needs satisfying to your security then surely its the best thing to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jweaver Posted December 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Hang on all.. You are making this sound sinister.. I was simply curious.. I had the gun in bits on the table and just wondered (out of curiousity) what the law was regarding 'parts'.... I realise it was common sense and I had already put it back together and put it in the safe before I got my first answer.. But it was just the act of having it in bits, got me thinking. There is nothing going on.. No hidden agenda.. I just wondered whether a stripped gun had to be treated the same way as a fully assembled one! And then on from this, what parts of a gun, make a gun, a gun.. Say for instance (and again, this is hypoteical), if I removed certain parts (i.e trigger assembly, bolt, etc), but then put the gun back to gether so that it LOOKED like a gun, could this still be left outside of a safe. Again, this is all hypothetical.. I was simply curious! Jon Edited December 21, 2008 by jweaver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Mate, no one's having a go or owt, you made it quite clear in your opening post that you always store your gun in the cabinet. In actual fact the law states that you have to take reasonable precaution to maintain the security of the gun, its not the law to have it locked in a cabinet at all...there are other methods of securing guns, it's just that a cabinet has come to be recognised to be the best method of achieving security. As my earlier answers, its the bits that are crucial to the functioning of the gun that are required to be secured.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff-TRG Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 "Not technically correct"? You will find that trigger mechanisms do form a component part of a firearm (the trigger blade itself would not) as I have previously stated, also any part of the firearm which is essential to its functioning. Sound moderators though do not come under this definition as the firearm is capable of functioning without it, but has been decreed by parliament to be a component part. At least thats what I learned at Police training school when they covered the Firearms Act 1968 Not having a personal dig or anything here, so please don't take it that way. If triggers are a component part of a firearms and as such are subject to firearms law (if so where in the 68 or 97 acts)- how come anyone can by one without paperwork, like an un chambered barrel, stock or even recoil lug etc etc? Whereas a chambered barrel, action or bolt you would need paperwork for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Mate, its not triggers as in the blade themselves that are covered, its trigger mechanisms in thier complete forms. In simple terms , it could be quite ok to leave your shotgun barrel out cos all they are is a couple of tubes...whereas you couldnt leave the butt end containing the trigger mechanism out cos that is a component part... yes, you could take just the trigger blade ( the bit you pull with your finger) off and thats ok cos that part alone is not the complete mechanism, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff-TRG Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) Hi sorry I think you mis-understood my post...I was more referring to rifles, or some bolt action shotguns etc. With their triggers (or trigger mechanisms whatever you call it), lets say a Jewell. That can be brought off the shelf by anyone, so why should it be kept under lock and key? (sorry for thread hijack, will start new thread if requested) Edited December 21, 2008 by Tiff-BBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 If its a rifle we are talking about then its just the bolt that forms the component part and that is the bit that has to be under lock and key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiff-TRG Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) If its a rifle we are talking about then its just the bolt that forms the component part and that is the bit that has to be under lock and key. Cheers for sorting that out It was you original post that I was questioning to start with, with regards to rifle triggers and in your last post you seem to have clearly contradicted yourself......in line with what I was originally correcting. The law relates to component parts of the gun, that is the bits of the gun or rifle that are essential to its working. So with a rifle that would include the trigger mechanism and bolt and the trigger mechanism on a shotgun. For some strange reason the law has also classified sound moderators as being component parts too. Anyway , in reply to your question I would say that if you would be locking away the component parts, why not just continue as you are and lock all the bits away. Edited December 21, 2008 by Tiff-BBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Ah , i see now where the confusion was. In general, trigger mechanisms on a rifle would not form a component part because it requires the bolt to be present to be fired... However, if the said rifle was a Martini action job, where the trigger and breech block and firing pin were all one piece then it all collectively would be a component part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Hi sorry I think you mis-understood my post...I was more referring to rifles, or some bolt action shotguns etc. With their triggers (or trigger mechanisms whatever you call it), lets say a Jewell. That can be brought off the shelf by anyone, so why should it be kept under lock and key? (sorry for thread hijack, will start new thread if requested) i almost got myself in **** with that one. some things you dont need a licence to buy, but you do need a licence to have in your possesion. perfect example is rifle mags. i bought a couple of eagle mags off ebay when i was waiting for my licence for the ruger coming through; on looking closer at my fire arms cert i realised that i needed to have a licence for the 10/22 to have the mags in my possesion!! or that was my reading of it anyway. could be wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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