shadow mag Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 can anybody tell me how much land i would need to get a fac. i have just been given the ok to shoot a shotgun on 200 acres but he wont let me shoot a .22 rimfire. but a couple down the road have said i can shoot a rifle on their land it is 5 fields and a total of 18 acres. would that be enough to get my fac. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Depends on the layout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 the one farm i shoot on is 180 acres cleared for 243 atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAN88 Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Its all todo with back drops , footpaths,ajoining land so my FLO tells me wont give me 17hmr but gave me fac air but looked at the ajoining field and said if i get that he,ll give me .243 for the fox but happy bashing bunnies at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow mag Posted January 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 the land has got a lane infront of the house.the first field is behind the house then you have 2 fields further out then anothere 2 next to them. no othere houses around and no footpaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamW Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 I have permission for .22 on 3 arces... but only because of the lay of the land Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 All to do with the lay of the land. If it's completely flat with roads and houses surrounding it, you've got no chance, sorry! Just look at the land and in your own mind decide if you would be happy to take a shot. If you were to honestly (be serious with yourself)in belief that there is a good overall backstop for plenty of shots, then your FEO will more than likely allow it. Just remember that the land has to be signed off first, which can be a lengthy process which includes the land owner. So decide if you want to yet him involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow mag Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 might not bother with fac and just get an air rifle. would spring or co2 be best for rabbits.thanks for your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 The size of land is allways a contentious issue . A piece of land could be refused by the police as unsuitable for one reason or another but deemed suitable by an individual shooter with an open ticket . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 So to shoot a rifle on a piece of land is it more the length of the shot that counts or its proximity to built-up areas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleaner4hire Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 i think it comes down to the overall risk presented by the land you intend to shoot over - a combination of the safety of land ie safe backstops, proximity of houses, livestock, public access etc, the calibre you intend to shoot ie richochets and its suitability for your intended use and i think it would probably take into account the experience of the person the calibre is issued to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAN88 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 might not bother with fac and just get an air rifle. would spring or co2 be best for rabbits.thanks for your help. get CO2 i have a daystate lovely gun so accurate and silent too :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 i have been reading this thread and have been thinking about approaching the owners of my permissions about rifle shooting as i fancy a .17hmr for rabbits crows etc, what is the chance of getting an open ticket straight off, ive got about 6000 acres locally and other bits around and about totaling about another 1000 or wouldnt i need an open ticket mikee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 can anybody tell me how much land i would need to get a fac. i have just been given the ok to shoot a shotgun on 200 acres but he wont let me shoot a .22 rimfire. but a couple down the road have said i can shoot a rifle on their land it is 5 fields and a total of 18 acres. would that be enough to get my fac. thanks Inexperienced shooters are more likely to have an accident that experienced shooters - so land is looked at with this in mind. There would probably need to be substantial backstops to get 18 acres passed for any rimfire. FAC air would likely be granted with minimal backstops on the 18 acres - and this gets your foot in the FAC door. The other guy may be more relaxed about an FAC air rifle too - well worth an ask anyway. Thats both feet in the FAC door, and it's very easy to overshoot 200 acres of rabbit patch with FAC air. If you subsequently get on really well with the 200 acre guy try to find out why he won't stand for .22 rimfire. If it's as I suspect - about the richochet of a heavy forty grain lump of lead there is hope that someone confident about 17HMR or HM2 could persuade him that there are now much lighter 17 grain frangible rimfires around that break up - rather than those of yesteryear he may be thinking of. Most .22 air rifle pellets weigh about the same. :blink: i have been reading this thread and have been thinking about approaching the owners of my permissions about rifle shooting as i fancy a .17hmr for rabbits crows etc, what is the chance of getting an open ticket straight off, ive got about 6000 acres locally and other bits around and about totaling about another 1000 or wouldnt i need an open ticket mikee Possible but unlikely to get an open if you have little or no rifle experience. However, 6000 acres is most likely to be approved for a much more substantial calibre than 17HMR - so apply for any calibre you might like - and have good reason to require in the next few years. The certificate will cost the same and the person inspecting will clear it for the bigger calibre's if he sees a reason for it. You would do well to start with the HMR then perhaps move on to a Centre fire after a while gaining experience. Once the land has been passed it makes no difference to you. In fact it will likely only get a cursory look over anyway. Get the forms today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 If you've got little or no rifle experience, you've got no chance. I had a massive discussion with my FEO about all the years I used to shoot rifles at the school range and working as a keeper doing loads of small and full bore shooting, but I still got a closed ticket... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironduke Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I dont know much about FAC's....but i've always been curious about double rifles....is there any justifiable use for them here, as i assume their primary purpose is big game. Always wondered where you would use them when you arn't in africa, at a range maybe? and what sort of ticket you'd need....i guess the criteria is different than that for a .22 etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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