codling99 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 you CANT shoot them for sport. eactly.pigeon shooting is a good sport,but legally they can only be shot when other means dont work. on times i go to farm everyday when he s planted,and maybe shoot 40/60 crows and pigeons a day on a good week,i do eat a few,freeze a few,deliver a few to friends and family,but sooner or later your left with a few left,and sorry but theres only so many you can eat or give away,my ferret and dogs are sick of seeing birds and squirrels and rabbits.they have to be disposed of,maybe burning is an answer,but if you got carry them a long way,they feed the wildlife easier.it s ok for the odd person who goes shooting once a month and gets 20 birds,id keep um all too then. :( and i still cant see the diff in dumping foxes and crows,and not pigeons,edible or not ,still looks bad to antis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow32 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 How can it be against the law leaving them???.........if it is ,you will find that you would need a licence to transport or even remove carcases.......how many birds are hit and not picked up?..........Pigeons are classed as vermin the same as rats....can somebody please tell me how you dispose of your rat carcases after ratting , as you cant put them in a bin, you cant burn them without a licence...... Regards Willow32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 How can it be against the law leaving them? its not mate. any fool should know this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 How can it be against the law leaving them???.........if it is ,you will find that you would need a licence to transport or even remove carcases.......how many birds are hit and not picked up?..........Pigeons are classed as vermin the same as rats....can somebody please tell me how you dispose of your rat carcases after ratting , as you cant put them in a bin, you cant burn them without a licence...... Regards Willow32 here you go willow. http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/by-prods/f...isposalqa.htm#2 and to think a conservationist did not know this. he,ll be telling us next Voltaire was a lesbian. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 whats wrong with going to a game dealer so what if you dont get much for them.although i know not everyone has game dealers near them then fairenough. because people do it for sport dont mean they are playing in the fields. and i go as often as i can at least once a week and if i could i would go every day but sadly shooting dont pay the bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow32 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I did say....... How can it be against the law leaving them???......... if it is , The point I was trying to say if it was illegal to leave a carcas (which its not ) , it would need to be disposed of legally Regards Willow32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 so what your saying is,if shoot 20 pigeons tomorrow ,and dump 10 of them in the brambles for foxes ,it s illegal? even with permission of farmer to shoot and dump whatever in bushes as long as they aint eating his wheat?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 From a government web site. Animal carcases Farm animal carcases can no longer be buried or burnt in the open because of the risk of disease spread through groundwater or air pollution. The Animal by Products Regulations require dead farm animals to be taken to or collected by an approved knacker yard, hunt kennel, incinerator or renderer, either by private arrangement, or under the National Fallen Stock Scheme. http://www.northyorks.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3032 Sheer common sense tells you that if you leave piles of dead rotting birds about there is a very good chance they will become a fostering site for disease. A pile of 50 or more pigeons have the same biomass as a dead ewe and that is considered a health risk and has to be collected and disposed of by an approved collector. There can be no excuse for dumping dead birds unless you are too damm lazy to dispose of them yourself. I never have had any trouble selling pigeons and all the game dealers in my area cannot get enough of them. If your local dealers do not want them there are several adverts in the shooting press for dealers willing to collect them fresh or frozen. If you cant use the birds do not shoot them !!!!! As for not having a clue Mrbivvy I shoot several thousand pigeons each year and have been shooting for almost 5 decades and perhaps have a little more forethought about the future of shooting than you appear to. What do you think members of the public think about shooting when they stumble across your piles of pigeons ? Next time some government tries to shop shooting who do you think they will support ? Its not me who has not got a clue Mr bivvy rather you who has not got a clue what the countryside and shooting is all about if you are happy to just chuck what you shoot in the nearest ditch where its going to pollute the nearest watercourse or possibly spread disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 (edited) anser2 Edited February 11, 2009 by shootnfish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 (edited) Farm animal carcases can no longer be buried or burnt wild animals don't come under this one. If you cant use the birds do not shoot them i can and do use em( in the dozens), to attract foxes. no members of the public roaming my land thank you. Its not me who has not got a clue Mr bivvy rather you who has not got a clue what the countryside and shooting is all about if you are happy to just chuck what you shoot in the nearest ditch where its going to pollute the nearest watercourse or possibly spread disease. like i said clue less. you may be best sticking to the lonely hearts forum that you like. ps, dont hide it from the ladies that you go shooting. you might just end up getting wed. but i doubt it. have a nice evening. I like woman who wants my mind rather than my body , but also plays with my body rather than with my mind where's the vomit smillie. Edited February 11, 2009 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 the very few i dump,are eaten by foxes ,buzzards ,owls and the like,never get much chance of rotting and polutting waterways,and since when have farm animals meant pigeons.wish i could sell some of mine,but rarely have enough to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 still gives the antis what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 still gives the antis what they want. if the antis worry you that much, sell your gun and pack it in. sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anser2 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I cannot believe how short sighted you are MR Bevvi. Its time you gave a thought to the shooting community to who you perhaps belong. Once wild animals are shot they become your possessions and thus are no longer considered wild in the same way pheasants in a rearing pen belong to the keeper ( or shoot owner ) , but once released are wild animals. As for no members of the public on your land I doubt if there is any land outside of MOD ground that members of the public stray onto from time to time if they have permission or not. As for being clueless now there you clearly show how little what you know about shooting and the countryside. I have spent 100s of hours in defence of shooting , working for conservation , writing articles in magazines and a major shooting hand book ( for no fee ) , collected money to pay to research into pink footed goose breeding biology when their main breeding ground was threatened , bred thousands for duck for release into unshot reserves , bred endangered white headed ducks for release schemes and carried out research projects on wildfowl. I grew up in a country village where shooting was the be and end all of the youngsters life and shot all over the country pigeon shooting , wildfowling and game shooting .I have been a wildfowling club sectary and committee member and have a degree in ecology , so in now way could I be described as clueless about true shooting and the countryside. So Mr Bivvy what have you done to help or perhaps hinder your sport ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 read it. A. No. The carcasses, or parts of carcasses, of wild animals are exempt from the scope of the EU ABPR unless they are thought to be diseased or are used to produce game trophies in which case there is a responsibility on the landowner to ensure the carcasses are disposed of in accordance with the regulation. Although the Regulation places them under no legal obligation, owners of property on which there are dead wild animals are advised to contact their local authority for advice on appropriate disposal methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow32 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 (edited) Fact 1 . If I want to leave a couple of pigeons for the foxes I will............. Fact 2 . If i want to take them home and eat I will............. Fact 3. If I want to sell them I will............. Fact 4. The anti's dont want you shooting in the first place........so it dont matter what you intend to do with them anyway......the birds dead already. Fact5. We are talking about VERMIN shooting........... Regards Willow32 Edited February 11, 2009 by Willow32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 if the antis worry you that much, sell your gun and pack it in. sorted. no they dont worry me .if you see nothing wrong in shooting pigeons n dumping them and think it dont put shooting in a bad light maybe you need to get your head out from where the sun dont shine. but it seems like you know it all anyway. incidentley one of the permissions i shoot one of the conditions the land owner stated was not to leave things laying around that were shot because it does not look good and that comes from someone who despises pigeons and from someone who more than likely knows a bit more about the countryside than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow32 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Ok then .....here's one what will put the cat among the pigeons............ I agree that if you shoot vermin....rat ,fox or pigeon yes you can leave it if required........ But if I saw a Pheasant or Partridge left ,,,,that would be wrong.... People need to relise that pigeons are vermin, we dont release them....conservation plays no part, hence the towns have thousands ...........and the damage they do to crops. And I think the antis are more intersted and against game shooting than pigeon shooting. Shooting has many banners....and we should not build barriers between each other......sport ,vermin shooting...The fact is we all enjoy it. If you want to start dictating to people on what to do............Then join the Labour Party Regards Willow32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvoCars Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 fair enough its a watse to chuck them in the hedge, but at the end of the day they are being shot to protect crops, end of, my mates who shoot pigeons on their own farms dont give a monkeys what happens to the dead pigeons aslong as their not eating their incomes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 im not dictating to no one just airing my views as we all are. its just the way i was taught when i started shooting if i was taught different i would probley be be agreeing with mark bivvy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow32 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 (edited) I agree...thats the best thing about this forum.....lets everybody have there say ...and there point of views.....life would be so boring if we all agreed,,,,, Regards Willow32 Edited February 11, 2009 by Willow32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Billy. Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I agree...thats the best thing about this forum.....lets everybody have there say ...and there point of views.....life would be so boring if we all agreed,,,,, Regards Willow32 True, but eventually all the long (and interesting by means of member arguments) get closed... In my eyes, it's fine to leave some for the foxes, I do, because they're the ones out of the freezer and you can't eat them. I don't agree with dumping birds just because you can't get rid of them. That's utter cr&p, there's always people who want free food. Go and give them to old people who are short on cash! I drop rabbits off to the old people near me. They love it because it probably brings back pre war memories of rabbit pies and I get a nice feeling for doing something good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 how is it utter **** i can get rid of rabbits,hares,fish ,lobster, but pigeons ,may be a few if im lucky,no one wants them ,and if they do they only want a couple,so not utter rubbish,just some people dont want them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 i've never had a shortage of people who'll gladly have some free pigeon - especially now that its becoming more popular again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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