gwionhermon Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Hi everyone. For two years now i have owned a tikka t3 lite with synthetic stock and stainless barrel in 22-250. At the moment ive got a bushnell 4-12x40 on it. I really like this scope but i find that it doesnt have the zoom power for the power of the gun. I am thinking of getting a Nikko Stirling Platinum Nighteater 6-24 x 56 30mm because i do most of my shooting at night. Can anyone give there opinion on this scope as i do not know enough about these?? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labrador Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 what ar you shooting. 12x should be enough for night shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 what ar you shooting. 12x should be enough for night shooting Maybe he needs a bit extra zoom to hit those damn french hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwionhermon Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 fox mostly at about the 400 mark. when ive got my scope on 12x the light gathering is **** i can barely see the target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Wildfowler Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Found when im night shooting i turn my mag down to 4or5 it gets more light in that way as you said more mag and you can't see anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 If you can 'barely see the target' you should not even consider taking a shot. How can you be sure you're aiming at a fox at such a distance, at night, using a budget bit of glass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwionhermon Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Do you think a larger lens would gather more light? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 A larger lens will gather more light, but the quality of the lens and the 'exit pupil' are more important than lens size. I use a 6-24x56 Zeiss on my .22-250, which is faultless for shooting in low light, but I rarely use it above 9x magnification. The full 24x can really only be used during the day, unless you have ideal kit and lamping conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwionhermon Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Couldnt agree more baldwin, hence im asking the experts opinion for a new scope. Dont worry i make sure its a fox before shooting, because my scope is so bad at long range ive had to buy a high strength spotting scope. Its a bit os a pain to carry around tho!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwionhermon Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 What do you mean by exit pupil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggone Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I've never seen any glass yet, through which you could definitely identify a fox at 400yds at night, unless it was lit up by stadium floodlights. All sounds a bit risky to me. Perhaps you should look into top of the range night vision, but with that you only have 6x mag, unless you get an add on. Either way you are pretty much limited to 300yds. for positive id. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwionhermon Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Yeah you are right andy at the begining i had a cheap lamp which was a waste of time and money. I find night shooting is a lot better if your lamp is good. I dont really want to go for nightvison because of the small zoom and there a bit pricey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 The following article describes the concept of exit pupil: http://www.eagleoptics.com/articles/techni...uide/exit-pupil I believe 7mm is the maximum exit pupil for a normal human eye, hence the popularity of 6x42, 7x50 and 8x56 scopes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I have the a 6 -24 x 56 nighteater on my 17 hmr, very nice scope. I would recommend it. I'll leave all the 400 yard is it a fox question to everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwionhermon Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Thanks BALDRICK that has actually helped. If i had a 56 lens with variable zoom I would get best quality at around 8x. 56/8=7!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labrador Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 have a look through a schmidt and berner or zeiss 8x56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 have a look through a schmidt and berner or zeiss 8x56 If funds don't allow Labrador's suggestions, you will still get very good performance from a 7x50 (Meopta) for sub-£200, or even a 6x42 Zeiss/S&B for c£250. I would much rather be limited by a lower magnification, than by the clarity of the lens. Just bear in mind that in Germany, you can legally shoot at night, but the use of lamps is prohibited. That's why German (and Austrian/Czech) glass leads in low-light conditions by a country mile. There are plenty of places to buy such scopes second-hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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