alexm Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 good point, but is it ilegal or not, Some good info from Andy H there. Basically, from the information we have, I still maintain that that what he has done is not illegal. You can buy fully legal, deactivated sawn-off's therefore I know the item itself isn't prohibited. It just comes down to whether chopping the barrels off an existing deac is legal or not. From Andy H's info it would seem the deactivation certificate (if it even has one!) would now be void, i.e if he was called upon to prove it was deactivated the certificate would be worthless and the shotgun would have to be inspected. However, if he hasn't tried to reactivate it or reinstate any of the mechanisms then it would logically be found to be still legally deactivated, surely? Whilst I agree with the people asking why should he want such an object I can't really see what is to be achieved by reporting him to the police for possessing something that on the face of it is most likely perfectly legal, simply because you can't understand why he wants it. That makes us no better than the people who report us to the police for shooting pigeons because they 'can't understand why we would want to kill something'. If you have genuine reason to believe he is using it to knock off post offices then certainly report him, but if he just has it as an item of curiosity (and lets face it, there are plenty of legitimate deac collectors who are into such things) then leave it be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted March 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 well said that man, reporting him would just be trying to get him in trouble, when its probably a legal thing he has got, although he is a gob ****e he isnt an idiot, he said it will never leave his house so i doubt he will be holding up post offices with it, and like i said there is a good chance he hasnt really even got one, if said it was a real one then i would of seen it as my duty to report him to the police, and not even hesitated, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 If Dunblane or Hungerford were not enough, we have a member of the public who wants to possess a sawn off shotgun. De-activated or not - what does he think that sort of publicity would do for shooting - that is assuming he has the capacity for rational thought. If he has done nothing wrong, what is the objection to testing this out with the Police? We have his assurance that he would never venture outside his house with it. What is that assurance worth? His own mate (acquaintance) calls him a "gob ****e", but says he isn't an idiot. I'm having difficulty telling the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted March 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 sorry mate but i didnt realise that hugerford and dublame were victims of deactivated shotguns, sawn of or not, just cos someone tells a few tails doesnt mean there idiots, nor am i some tell tale who complains to the police regarding my thoughts, there are people who seem to think its legal, some think not, as to your opinion on him as a person, well that wasnt asked for, nor were your thoughts on what i should or shouldnt do, as iv already said if i thought it was not deactivated or i saw him out with it then i wouldnt hesitate to report him, my question was is it legal to own or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniperfox36 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 i have just spoken too my wifes son who is in the police force and he said sawn off shot gun legal no way not even a deactevatead one 100% not legal and he should be reported straight away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 i have just spoken too my wifes son who is in the police force and he said sawn off shot gun legal no way not even a deactevatead one 100% not legal and he should be reported straight away He is simply wrong. Common mistake, don't confuse police officers with knowing anything about firearms legislation. Search for yourself, you can find perfectly legal examples of deactivated sawn off shotguns for sale all over the place. here's one: http://www.dandbmilitaria.com/double-barre...otgun-480-p.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 One for sale here; http://www.milweb.net/classifieds.php?type=16 Bottom of the page, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted March 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 no offence to any police but they dont know everything about everything, although some would have you believe they do, after doing some research my self it seems there not ilegal, my only thing im looking to know now is if bought like that and has a current deac t cert than thats ok, but what about cutting one down yourself, like i think he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 i have just spoken too my wifes son who is in the police force and he said sawn off shot gun legal no way not even a deactevatead one 100% not legal and he should be reported straight away if he's right its strange, how come i can go out and buy a deactivated submachine gun then but not a sawn off shotgun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniperfox36 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 i stand corrected and so does my wifes boy he never knew you could buy them and he is also a shooter why would any one want one though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniperfox36 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 if he's right its strange, how come i can go out and buy a deactivated submachine gun then but not a sawn off shotgun? dont know bloody good question though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet hunter Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) A SAWN OFF SHOTGUN....WETHER ITS DEACTIVATED OR NOT ITS A NO NO....IT THE MOST THREATEN INTIMIDATING WEAPON TO BE SEEN WITH, BANK ROBBERS AND SAWN OFF SHOTGUN... KEEP WELL AWAY........ Edited March 22, 2009 by shootfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 my only thing im looking to know now is if bought like that and has a current deac t cert than thats ok, but what about cutting one down yourself, like i think he did. Precisely. We have established that what he has done has probably voided the deactivation certificate, however you don't *have* to have a certificate by law. Plenty of old deacs have lost their certificates over periods of time. All the certificate states is that at the time of inspection by the proof house the gun was deactivated in the correct manner. So long as the deactivation work remains in accordance with the law then what he has is not a 'firearm' in the eyes of the law. So... PW members grass him to the old bill. They arrest him on suspicion on possessing an illegal firearm. The gun would be seized and sent off to the proof house to be inspected. If it had been properly deactivated in the first place and he has done nothing that could be considered as 'undoing' that original deactivation then they would simply deem it deactivated to the required spec and could re-issue a new certificate. Your mate sues for wrongful arrest, the police look stupid and we then get pulled every time we go out lamping for the rest of time. Perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 A SAWN OFF SHOTGUN....WETHER ITS DEACTIVATED OR NOT ITS A NO NO....IT THE MOST THREATEN INTIMIDATING WEAPON TO BE SEEN WITH, BANK ROBBERS AND SAWN OFF SHOTGUN... KEEP WELL AWAY........ hmm don't know about that - this is pretty ******* intimidating! http://www.milweb.net/classifieds/large_im...6363&cat=16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) Why **** about with a sawn off guage, get one of these instead; RPG 7 Rocket Launcher ex Iraq Good used condition. Comes with night sights, 1 inert round, 1 practice round and storage cases. Also adapter for Chinese sight. All strip able and working parts. Comes with de-act certificate. £1,000. Arrgggghhh beat by a minute....lol Edited March 22, 2009 by Bazooka Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexm Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 why would any one want one though Why would anyone want any deactivated guns? Most would probably want to add them to a collection, or stick them on the mantlepiece as a talking point. Some might want to do "are you looking at me" impressions in the mirror in the privacy of their own home and a tiny minority might want to do over the local corner shop. Unless it's the last option it really isn't any of our business, is it! Just like there are people (and politicians! ) who look at us shooters and wonder "why does he really want all those guns?"... do we really want to nurture a culture like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniperfox36 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 after thinking about it there can be no good in owning a sawn off shot gun or deactivated sub machine gun or rocket launcher if guns dont have a bad enough reputation we can legally buy them and in my eyes what a waist of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Fudd Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 after thinking about it there can be no good in owning a sawn off shot gun or deactivated sub machine gun or rocket launcher if guns dont have a bad enough reputation we can legally buy them and in my eyes what a waist of money so what about having a collection of swordsand bayonets then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Viking - you can dress this up any way you want. You came for advice - right?? Your mate is a ****. Feel free for him to sue me. I can't see why you are trying to defend his position. If you can't see what is wrong - you worry me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sniperfox36 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 each too there own i guess i cant see the interest in it my self same as deactivatead guns ..... why buy a gun that dont shoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted March 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 why is he a **** gordon? how can you say that when you dont know him, and what is it that worrys you, he has a deactivated gun, so what, as stated you can buy just about any deactivated weapon you fancy if it floats your boat, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted March 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Why would anyone want any deactivated guns? Most would probably want to add them to a collection, or stick them on the mantlepiece as a talking point. Some might want to do "are you looking at me" impressions in the mirror in the privacy of their own home and a tiny minority might want to do over the local corner shop. Unless it's the last option it really isn't any of our business, is it! Just like there are people (and politicians! ) who look at us shooters and wonder "why does he really want all those guns?"... do we really want to nurture a culture like that? quite rite mate, each to there own, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Viking - if you can't see the damage your mate is doing to shooters in general - you have a problem. Trot down to your local FEO and tell him you don't see the problem or bigger picture. Good luck - you will need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking Posted March 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 thats not a very good answer to what i asked, if there legal then there legal, i doidnt make the rule, but i cant just go grass on him if he isnt doing anything wrong, that is the reason for my origianl post mate, dont get me wrong, as iv said if he is in the wrong i would not hesitate to report him, but reading some posts on hear i dont think him owning it is ilegal, thats not to say i agree or disagree with someone owning one, each to there own, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 A true sawn of shotgun storey . A well known local villian did a smash and grab raid on a local gunmakers in the 1970s ,and stole a sxs shotgun from the window . He cut the barrels and stock down and decided to rob a taxi driver . He managed to steal £15 takings from the petrified cabby but was caught 3 days later . The gun he stole was a rossen best side lock valued in court at five thousand pound what a dip stick . Oh he got seven years for his trouble . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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