shotgun666 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) HI IM NEW WITH AIRGUNS IN THE FIELD ,IVE ALWAYS USED 12 GAUGE,RIGHT IL GET TO MY PROBLEM,I BOUGHT A HW80 SECONDHAND FROM A SHOP LAST WEEK,FOR 230.00,...GREAT GUN DONT GET ME WRONG...THE PROBLEM IS IVE JUST BEEN TOLD TO GET IT CRONED BY A FRIEND.YOU CANT TELL BETWEEN A 12LB AND THIS TRUTHFULLY. IVE BEEN OUT THIS MORNING AND BOUGHT A CHRONOGRAPH.IVE JUST TESTED IT AND ITS 15.45LB WITH RWS SUPERDOMES 14.5GR, AND WITH THE PROMETHEUS PELLETS ITS PUTTING OUT OVER 19LB........SHOULDNT THIS HAVE BEEN CHECKED BY THE SHOP BEFORE I BOUGHT IT. Edited June 13, 2009 by shotgun666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineshooter Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Looks like someone has been naughty and pulled a fast one with the gunshop, its unlikely that the shop would check it, I`ve traded in a few airguns and apart from checking to see that they cock etc, never had one chrono`d. If you take it back they may keep it as it now illegal, I would lock it in your cabinet and talk to the dealer. Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deny essex Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Take it back to the shop and get them to de-tune it at their cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun666 Posted June 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) CHEERS MATE IT IS A BIT NAUGHTY AS I TOOK IT OUT AND USED IT AS I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST UNDER 12,BUT WHEN I PICKED THE 2 RABBITS UP AT 73FEET AWAY THERE SKULLS WERE MASHED,SO I KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG,NOW ITS LOCKED AWAY TILL I CAN SEE THE SHOP Edited June 13, 2009 by shotgun666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 why would you take 73 yd shots with a supposed 12 ft lb gun.bit rash in my mind .is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun666 Posted June 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 the 12lb guns these days are under rated,ive used air rifles for target shooting at 100yds,for a lot of years now but the only gun i have and would use is the hw80 for extensive ranges out to 75yds,if your gun is 12ld and serviced regular with a decent tune you can achieve this with a lot of practise first though,you have to know your gun inside and out before trying this...I STATE THIS IS POSSIBLE AND THE RABBIT GOES DOWN STONE DEAD IN ONE HEAD SHOT EVERY TIME.....BUT PRACTISE IS THE ANSWER AND READ YOUR GUN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 why would you take 73 yd shots with a supposed 12 ft lb gun.bit rash in my mind .is it not? Regardless of how well you know your gun (and you have only just bought yours) taking a shot at 73 yards is not good practice. At that distance, the pellet wouldnt go through a coke can, so i dont think it would kill a rabbit (i think its 4lb required) never mind hit it. I have been air gunning since i was young, and seriously for the past few years, and would never let anybody i shoot with or myself risk a shot of such kind. I think you get my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) Regardless of how well you know your gun (and you have only just bought yours) Apparently not!! Looks like the HW80 is his 'old faithful' Link http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...mp;#entry773461 Edited June 13, 2009 by poontang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilishdave Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 I smell a rat To be fair I used to regularly head shoot rabbits at 60m with my .177 HW77 but 73m is streatching things. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) 73m shooting rabbits,with an air rifle? thats some distance,woudnt personally entertain it myself,and yes its 3-4ft lb strike energy at the receiving end(head shot)but at that range are you confident taking consistent shots?? BB- You have done the right thing by checking it over a chrono,and locking it away,get it back to the gun shop asap and get them to sort it for you! Edited June 13, 2009 by Bluebarrels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryantidgwell Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 fishy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaper6 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 are u tellin porkies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deny essex Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) I wouldnt say its an impractical range to kill a rabbit with a 12ft lbs air rifle power wise as i was lead to believe many years ago it takes 2ft lbs of energy to do the job, but the accuracy complications with a low powered projectile is a different matter altogether thus most articles recomend a 40 yard maximum range for rabbit. When shooting rabbits solely for many years with non fac air wepons i once as a scare shot needed to move a full grow buck from my approach to my hide along a very long straight hedgrow to the main warren around a corner , the buck i know from experience would stomp at my approach and put everything down on that side of the field, i fired my 177 weirach to whistle past near him to make him move to cover , it was not an intended shot as he was out of range as far as i was concern'd , the pellet drop and a cross wind took the pellet to him and took him down to my suprise, again before anyone comments it was not an intended shot, but he was stone dead after i paced out 73 steps, knowing my steps were a tads under 3 feet in was around the 70 yards, on inspection of the pellet wound it had struck in the neck and shattered the neck bone, i retrieved the pellet split with a piece of bone still in it. for a 177 legal limit gun at the time i thought it unbeleivable, but it did not encourage me to shoot at that range. without a rangefinder one persons estimation of 40 yards to anothers can be quite different in an open field without a true size reference of anything for the eye to brain calculation and through a scope a half grown rabbit can look like a full grown one, not saying anyone is over estimating or in error just my point of view Edited June 13, 2009 by deny essex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Apparently not!! Looks like the HW80 is his 'old faithful' Link http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/ind...mp;#entry773461 I smell a rat To be fair I used to regularly head shoot rabbits at 60m with my .177 HW77 but 73m is streatching things. Dave 73m shooting rabbits,with an air rifle? thats some distance,woudnt personally entertain it myself,and yes its 3-4ft lb strike energy at the receiving end(head shot)but at that range are you confident taking consistent shots?? BB fishy are u tellin porkies says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egg Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) Hmmmm..... I tuned a .177 HW80 about 20 years ago (a home tune involving threading the trigger block, re-boring the transfer port etc, etc... some of you may be familiar with the blue-bound booklet giving instructions from back in't day.) It was wayyyy over the legal limit: I was young & fresh out of the army at the time and to this day that 80's in bits up a loft. It could take rabbits and woodies out at 60 yards but it was very fussy about which pellet it shot: soft pellets just flew all over the shop if they hadn't already burst in a cloud of silver when leaving the muzzle. What I'm getting at in a roundabout way is I knew my gun was more than capable of clean kills at long range so I had no issues taking those shots. Why, with a gun that was meant to be just under 12 and therefore highly unlikely to produce such results, would you attempt shots at that range if you didn't have an inkling that it wasn't within legal spec? Edited June 13, 2009 by Egg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 HI IM NEW WITH AIRGUNS IN THE FIELD ,IVE ALWAYS USED 12 GAUGE,RIGHT IL GET TO MY PROBLEM,I BOUGHT A HW80 SECONDHAND FROM A SHOP LAST WEEK,FOR 230.00,...GREAT GUN DONT GET ME WRONG...THE PROBLEM IS IVE JUST BEEN TOLD TO GET IT CRONED BY A FRIEND AS ITS SMASHING RABBITS SKULLS TO PIECES AT 73YDS. New to field shooting and only had the gun a week, OK so far CHEERS MATE IT IS A BIT NAUGHTY ..... Not naughty, as you didn`t know the muzzle energy......or did you mean you had an idea it was over ? the 12lb guns these days are under rated,ive used air rifles for target shooting at 100yds,for a lot of years now but the only gun i have and would use is the hw80 for extensive ranges out to 75yds,if your gun is 12ld and serviced regular with a decent tune you can achieve this with a lot of practise first though,you have to know your gun inside and out before trying this...I STATE THIS IS POSSIBLE AND THE RABBIT GOES DOWN STONE DEAD IN ONE HEAD SHOT EVERY TIME.....BUT PRACTISE IS THE ANSWER AND READ YOUR GUN Soooo in a week you managed to work out the pellet drop and everything to enable you to drop a rabbit which you have never shot in field conditions at 70+ yds, even though you have shot airrifles at 100yds and you claim that you didn`t have an inclination that it was over ?? .......can anyone smell something, is it sheep.......no ! .......is it pigs.....No ! .....must be bull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 smells like Rick Steins apron if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun666 Posted June 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) this is compleatly true,.BUT THE MINIMUM POUNDAGE NEEDED TO KILL A RABBIT IS TWO POUND FOR A CLEAN KILL... I SHOT IT ,IT WENT STRAIGHT HOME AND LOCKED AWAY....NOW THE GUN HAS BEEN STRIPPED FOR SPARES FOR MY OTHER 80.WHICH POUNDAGE IS 11.35...TRUTHFULLY YOU COULDNT TELL THE DIFFERANCE ON COCKING THIS AND MY 11.35LB ONE. Edited June 13, 2009 by shotgun666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun666 Posted June 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) SORRY GUYS OLD AGE GETTING TO ME,...IT WAS FEET NOT YARDS,,,,AT 67 YEARS OLD I SHOULD NOW FEET FROM YARDS,..SORRY FOR GETTING YOUR BACKS UP,...NOT INTENDED...SORRY AGAIN. Edited June 13, 2009 by shotgun666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryantidgwell Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 HI IM NEW WITH AIRGUNS IN THE FIELD ,IVE ALWAYS USED 12 GAUGE,RIGHT IL GET TO MY PROBLEM,I BOUGHT A HW80 SECONDHAND FROM A SHOP LAST WEEK,FOR 230.00,...GREAT GUN DONT GET ME WRONG...THE PROBLEM IS IVE JUST BEEN TOLD TO GET IT CRONED BY A FRIEND.YOU CANT TELL BETWEEN A 12LB AND THIS TRUTHFULLY.IVE BEEN OUT THIS MORNING AND BOUGHT A CHRONOGRAPH.IVE JUST TESTED IT AND ITS 15.45LB WITH RWS SUPERDOMES 14.5GR, AND WITH THE PROMETHEUS PELLETS ITS PUTTING OUT OVER 19LB........SHOULDNT THIS HAVE BEEN CHECKED BY THE SHOP BEFORE I BOUGHT IT. but surely anyway even if this gun was legal limit there would not be that much of a increase in power with the pellts from 15.45 to 19 ?over 3 lb more power so if it was 11 it would be fireing at 14 with them pellets? not worth the risk getting caught with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 SORRY GUYS OLD AGE GETTING TO ME,...IT WAS FEET NOT YARDS,,,,AT 67 YEARS OLD I SHOULD NOW FEET FROM YARDS,..SORRY FOR GETTING YOUR BACKS UP,...NOT INTENDED...SORRY AGAIN. So are we to presume that the airrifle 100yd targets are 100 feet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun666 Posted June 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 hi yes 100 feet,i do apolagise to all the members,when i put yds, the gun has been stripped now for spares for a nother hw i have,as i couldnt get it below 14lb,best regards frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Nah, don`t believe a word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotgun666 Posted June 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) think what ever you like,.this was a true mistake. Edited June 14, 2009 by shotgun666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbo Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 i to have shot rabbits at 100yrds its quite easy i have a weichrauch, no saying i shoot them with the weichrauch though i believe that a paper clip an elastic band is the best it achives well over. 000.9 ftbls i dont like to boast but its the same elastic band rambo used to concour the germans its also the one hes uses to booooooootang his women in bed. ! ******** im afraid. an why would you want to get it under 14ftlbs surely you mean 12 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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