Spaniel Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Right lads after some advise here Myself and Zipplex are planning a Pike fishing trip next week, which should be good fun. (On the Huntspill) I have just been digging all the gear out this morning but i dont know which way to go this time of year I have a brand new Dam 7ft spinning rod 5 to 20grms and my JW Six shooter reel, i was thinking about spinning the lure for these beast,s but im not 100% sure about the spinning rod.... Never used one before and im wondering if they are up to pulling in a Pike on them ? they just look so flimsy against the carp rods In the past i have used the Carp rod and used dead bait on a float rig.... Anyone got any ideas on which way to go please.... (Im hopefully Mackeral fishing tomorrow for some bait) Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 How stiff is the spinning rod? If it has a good bit of backbone to it, and you use strong braid (30lb would balance that outfit well) you can use it for pike. What matters here is you need to know you can get the pike in quickly, as in summer they can fight themselves to a standstill and then you have a hard time getting them back in the water and safely swimming away. Sorry if that is teaching granny to suck eggs but I have seen pike released when not ready, and they turn belly up and float off downstream to die. 30lb braid works really well on a light/medium lure outfit as it is the same diameter as much lighter mono, and gives you a good chance you'll get your lure back if you snag up. Just remember not to wrap it round your hand to pull it though, it cuts really deep... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 In most cases (not all before any jumps in) spinning will produce more jacks than 'real' pike so that rod would be fine for the smaller fish. I built an ultralight spinning rod from an old fly rod and it will cast anything from about 15 grams down to about a gram if such a thing existed. I tried it out last time we went and caught a 1lb jack almost first cast (with 6lb mono on the reel) that was fine until a pike of about 7-8lb grabbed that one Luckily it got off but I reckon with the current and good fight from 2 fish it would have snapped the rod. You can get fairly good spinning rods pretty cheap if you find the fish are bigger than expected IMO you should get one of those, but the Americans will disagree with that as they love big fish/light tackle. You don't need a carp rod just something with a bit of backbone if required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Right lads after some advise here Myself and Zipplex are planning a Pike fishing trip next week, which should be good fun. (On the Huntspill) I have just been digging all the gear out this morning but i dont know which way to go this time of year I have a brand new Dam 7ft spinning rod 5 to 20grms and my JW Six shooter reel, i was thinking about spinning the lure for these beast,s but im not 100% sure about the spinning rod.... Never used one before and im wondering if they are up to pulling in a Pike on them ? they just look so flimsy against the carp rods In the past i have used the Carp rod and used dead bait on a float rig.... Anyone got any ideas on which way to go please.... (Im hopefully Mackeral fishing tomorrow for some bait) Cheers the rod will get you through ; i landed my personal best pike of 26lb 10oz on a 6ft lightweight rod, it took a while but was good fun, yes, ideally i would have had a more powerful rod with me, but this was all i had in the boot of my car. i went down the route of a 'bait caster' style set up with multiplier (one the the JW 6 shooter jobbies), but found it more hassle than it was worth. I now do most spinning / sink and draw on a 9ft shimano spinning rod, (up to 75g casting weight) and an old shimano reel loaded with 60lb braid, if you havent already tried braid for spinning - do so - it is a different world to using mono, just have to make sure the clutch is set with enough give - the braid wont break but it might pull the hooks free. It will pay for itself in a couple of outings with the amount of lures you wont end up losing. It also casts much further ps - another must have is a titanium trace! no kinks, lasts for ages, i have 20lb breaking strain split rings on the hooks as well, so they go before anything else and you get your lure back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) just like to say IMHO Pike are a very good target fish but you must be ready for them and have the gear, Having spent many years on the Waveney and taken them to 30lb, I have seen quite a few killed mostly due to deep hooking, or poor handling when caught (what do i do with it now) what ever you do plz hit early if float fishing and if anyone tells you count to 30 and strike they want a treble in the harris, good luck Edited August 20, 2009 by pavman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Got to admit, i dont like leaving the strike for to long, as i find most times the hook are deeper and harder to get out on any fish, but very good point. Yep will get down to veals over the weekend and get some Braid, think i will take the spinning rod for the lures and the carp rod for the dead bait (Mackeral). Thanks guys for all the advise, cant wait for Weds to be honest it should be a good day out Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1979 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 livebait is deadly mate!!! providin u are allowed to use it on that water!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyr8 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 have a go at both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryantidgwell Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 if its the dam rod with the pistol grip for one hand casting , be carefull only use really light lures !! i have broke two of these rods now really crappy made ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunnybasher100 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 try woobling a dead bait some times its a killer. do know about the rod i have got a quicksilver spin and found it a bit soft so got a esox from brommendell not cheap but will cast from 20g to 120g cracking bit of kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 if its the dam rod with the pistol grip for one hand casting , be carefull only use really light lures !! i have broke two of these rods now really crappy made ! No it does not have a pistol grip, just the normal cork handle. I brought this a few years back at the fishing show at the NEC, I wanted the JW spinning rod, but for some reason they were not selling them on the day so i went to the Dam stand and got one of these. It was purchased for lure fishing for Pike at the time, as we were planning on going back to ireland but never got there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magman Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Goldfish do well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_R Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 No it does not have a pistol grip, just the normal cork handle.I brought this a few years back at the fishing show at the NEC, I wanted the JW spinning rod, but for some reason they were not selling them on the day so i went to the Dam stand and got one of these. It was purchased for lure fishing for Pike at the time, as we were planning on going back to ireland but never got there In that case are you sure it is built to use a multiplier/baitcaster style reel? If not, you would be best sticking to fixed spool as there might not be enough rings, or perhaps rings at all the wrong places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 livebait is deadly mate!!! providin u are allowed to use it on that water!!! The bigger fish (all females) prefer a lazy dead bait to chasing a lives, on avg expect to pick up more big fish this way if you can put the bait near drop offs, holes, reeds etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 .......i've only just noticed this , i'm going to take a little single handed spinning rod with small ABU multiplier/braid, a stiffish 7ft Daiwa spinning rod and a softer bass rod/fixed spool. I guess i'll be covered that way. I need to get a few spoons to take but has anyone tried the Tobimaru/Rapala type floating/diving lures for pike that you'd ordinarily use for bass? reason I ask is i've got a box full and fancied giving them a go. Advice on the above appreciated as I don't want to look a plonker in front of Spaniel , it's like the blind leading the blind but rest assured the fish will get treated properly if we latch into any Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Well the bag is packed and almost ready to go 25LB Braid now on the six shooter and the larger open spool reals, Large Forceps, Scissors, wire traces, links and lures, and even a small first aide box all in the bag, just in case we lose a finger :o (Just got to put the pliers in later) Large landing net and pole plus the 2.25 Carp rod and spinning rod all stood in the bedroom, yep Mrs is well chuffed Plus the wet gear is at hand as Weds it is going to be tipping down, hope Mr Pike dont mind getting wet B) Will call into veals tomorrow on the way out and get some dead bait and then its all go ready for the big Pike day on weds.. We better catch a Pike after all this B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hezbear Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Ziplex give them lures ago as sometimes the pike will be lying deep and other times up in the water, it all depends where the bait fish are swimming. Good luck fishing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Ziplex give them lures ago as sometimes the pike will be lying deep and other times up in the water, it all depends where the bait fish are swimming. Good luck fishing Thanks for that, I must have two dozen of various types, some shallow divers, some deep, some without a lip etc. so I should be able to get the depth right at least B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Well the bag is packed and almost ready to go 25LB Braid now on the six shooter and the larger open spool reals, Large Forceps, Scissors, wire traces, links and lures, and even a small first aide box all in the bag, just in case we lose a finger B) :o (Just got to put the pliers in later) Large landing net and pole plus the 2.25 Carp rod and spinning rod all stood in the bedroom, yep Mrs is well chuffed Plus the wet gear is at hand as Weds it is going to be tipping down, hope Mr Pike dont mind getting wet B) Will call into veals tomorrow on the way out and get some dead bait and then its all go ready for the big Pike day on weds.. We better catch a Pike after all this :o It's your fault if we don't .......as I didn't know your address when getting the licences today you now officially live at my address , also you don't have a surname 'cause I didn't know that either , glad you have packed a landing net, where mine is I don't know and believe me i've looked. I bought some spinning and deadbait traces and a couple of basic spoons so I reckon we'll hit 'em for six! If you're getting the deadbait we'll call it evens on the licence I'll give you a ring tomorrow to arrange a meet up time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegasus bridge Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Well the bag is packed and almost ready to go 25LB Braid now on the six shooter and the larger open spool reals, Large Forceps, Scissors, wire traces, links and lures, and even a small first aide box all in the bag, just in case we lose a finger B) (Just got to put the pliers in later) Large landing net and pole plus the 2.25 Carp rod and spinning rod all stood in the bedroom, yep Mrs is well chuffed Plus the wet gear is at hand as Weds it is going to be tipping down, hope Mr Pike dont mind getting wet B) Will call into veals tomorrow on the way out and get some dead bait and then its all go ready for the big Pike day on weds.. We better catch a Pike after all this :o if you can try and get used to 'handing' the pike in - i only use a net now where you cannot get down to the water - you will quickly find that treble hooks, especially on lures that tend to be on the edge of the jaws will get hopelessly stuck in a net. there are two 'ridges' underneath the jaws which allow you to get a good hold onto the fish ; they also (once lay backwards) will allow you to hold the jaws open quite easily to remove the hooks. good luck - i really must get some more piking done this year - last year shooting took all of my time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 if you can try and get used to 'handing' the pike in - i only use a net now where you cannot get down to the water - you will quickly find that treble hooks, especially on lures that tend to be on the edge of the jaws will get hopelessly stuck in a net. there are two 'ridges' underneath the jaws which allow you to get a good hold onto the fish ; they also (once lay backwards) will allow you to hold the jaws open quite easily to remove the hooks. good luck - i really must get some more piking done this year - last year shooting took all of my time. B) Most of the bank you can access the waters edge so i'll bear this in mind, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 It's your fault if we don't .......as I didn't know your address when getting the licences today you now officially live at my address B) , also you don't have a surname 'cause I didn't know that either , glad you have packed a landing net, where mine is I don't know and believe me i've looked. I bought some spinning and deadbait traces and a couple of basic spoons so I reckon we'll hit 'em for six! If you're getting the deadbait we'll call it evens on the licence I'll give you a ring tomorrow to arrange a meet up time. See thats what PW is all about, meeting people on the forum and before you know it, you have moved in with them I just hope theres plenty of beer in the fridge B) I was going to pick up some frozen eel tomorrow, and see what other frozen bailts they had also Ive been watching the Pike DVDs and i think i got the hang of where to hold the pike to remove the hooks etc but i have the first aide box just in case Speak to you tomorrow mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplex Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Ive been watching the Pike DVDs and i think i got the hang of where to hold the pike to remove the hooks etc but i have the first aide box just in case ......................first pike caught goes to you, good sir, for unhooking duties then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaniel Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 God its going to be a fun day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hezbear Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Let us know how you's get on and pictures of any fish you's catch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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