badshot Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Have almost decided to get a new scope, and had a look at a 6-25*56 today and thought it was a nice quality piece of kit. Price somewhere in the £300-400 range. The only real reason I am looking to change is for a side adjust parralax, which I do use a lot in the daylight hours on the hmr. Hadn't heard of them before and there isn't much about them on the web either as far as I can see. Don't really want a secondhand leupold or s&b etc either so please try to refrain from that suggestion. Cheers all Badshot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 (edited) Badshot, I hate to see a fellow farmer wasting money. Haave a read of this, the well-regarded scope ratings produced by SWFA, the major US outfitter. Note where Millett features... --- The scale below was formed by SWFA sales staff, customer service, pro-staff and owners using personal experience, customer input and facts supplied by the manufacturers. The ranking system is based on the following criteria (in order of importance and weight). 1. Optical Quality - How bright and clear the scope is. 2. Specifications - Field of view, eye relief, weight, adjustment travel, etc. 3. Durability - How do they with stand the test of time. 4. Special Features & Options - Proprietary items (reticles, design, turrets), Zoom ratio. 5. Warranty & Customer Service - How good are they. 6. Value - Bang for your buck. In order to maintain the scale's simplicity we are not listing every single manufacture and only major manufactures will have several of their brands listed. This scale also does not have discontinued brands or products like the old U.S.A. made Redfields, Japan Tasco or Japan Simmons Aetec. This scale is heavily weighted toward HUNTING as being the application the scope will be used for. This scale will be kept current with changes that the manufacturers are making that affect their rank. Many of the lower end companies have been bought and sold a lot recently and while the names have stayed the same......the product has not. 2008 Riflescope Rating Scale 10 - Swarovski Z6, Zeiss Victory 9 - Kahles C - CL & CSX, Schmidt & Bender 8 - Kahles KX, U.S. Optics, Swarovski PH & American, X.O.T.I.C., Zeiss Classic 7 - Bushnell Elite 6500, Leupold VX-7, Nightforce, IOR Valdada 6 - Bushnell Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch & Monarch X, Zeiss Conquest 5 - Leupold Mark 4 VX III & VX-L, Nikon Monarch Gold & Titanium, Sightron SIII 4 - Burris Black Diamond Signature Select XTR & Euro Diamond, Meopta, Pentax Lightseeker, Super Sniper, Trijicon Accupoint, Weaver Grand Slam 3 - Bushnell Elite 3200, Leatherwood, Leupold VX-II, Millet, Nikon Buckmaster, Sightron SI & SII, Vortex 2 - Burris Fullfield II & Timberline, Leupold Rifleman & VX-I, Mueller, Nikon ProStaff, Simmons, Swift 1 - Barska, BSA, Tasco 0 - ATN, Leapers, NcStar --- A Bushnell 4200 6-24x scope would be a much better bet than Millett. Nikon are usually on offer with Uttings.com too. Edited September 23, 2009 by Baldrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badshot Posted September 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Hmm thanks Baldrick, food for thought, there appears to be quite a few manufacturers missing that feature a lot on here like nikko stirling and the like. Where do you think they would end up? In the negatives? Am currently only using a BUSHNELL BANNER 6-18*50 bought secondhand off flea bay for very little at all. Al;though it works just fine it gets a little trying making adjustments with a fairly stiff front adjustment. ( When I change it , that will go on the nippers airgun ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Don't set too much store by the SWFA ratings (they are Americans, for God's sake). I don't, as to me, Meopta glass kicks the backside out of Leupold Mk4/Nikon/Bushnell 4200 glass. The ratings are an aggregate of performance, reliability, manufacturers' service and other factors. However, you could safely infer from that list that Millet is pretty cack. A lot of people on here have Nikko Nighteater scopes. I have used several, and they are good for rimfire use, but pretty bulky and heavy. The other Nikko scopes are pretty gash. However, for £300-£400 I would be looking long and hard for something with decent Jap glass (you won't get high-mag European glass for that money). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 (edited) Double posted.... Edited September 23, 2009 by Baldrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Baldrick, your posts are always very informative and I think reliable as you know your stuff! I have a BSA scope on my HMR, and struggle with it in the evening, when my Nikon binoculars are still doing the business. It is clear as anything during the day mind you. I shoot up 150 yards, and am interested in shooting closer range foxes, as there are so many around, and don't think my BSA is up to the mark. What do you reccomend from experience is a good scope to go for? In reality i think £300 absolute maximum, so second hand. Not fussed now about parallax adjustment and varibale zoom, although a fairly high zoom would be good (14x ish). Thanks for any help :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 George, A 3-12x56 or 4-14x56 would be the obvious choice, as above 14x mag, one really needs adjustable parallax. Out of all the scopes I have, the 3-12x56 is the most versatile for 90% of the shooting I do (big 6-24x56 scopes are great for foxing, but poor for close-range work in woodland). £300 second-hand won't get you a mainstream European 3-12x56 (although you may find a Lizenfeld or Meopta for that price). On that basis, how about a Nikon Monarch? They are more compact than Bushnell scopes, and less fussy with eye relief than Leupold. Most of the bargains I have had have come from Fleabay. I also keep an eye on the other forums, and on the York Guns and Macleods websites' S/H optics pages. Balders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Don't set too much store by the SWFA ratings (they are Americans, for God's sake). I don't, as to me, Meopta glass kicks the backside out of Leupold Mk4/Nikon/Bushnell 4200 glass. Oh yeah ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 i've just got a Nikon Monarch 6-24x50 SF from Optics Warehouse (they've got them on special offer at the mo) to replace the Hawke Niteeye i had on my .17hmr, and it really is the dogs danglies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 In the same sort of bracket whats the opinion on the MTC viper / mamba as there seem big differences in opinions and would be well within this budget Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 (edited) get a Nikon Monarch - they are heads and shoulders above Hawke/AGS/MTC/Nikko (which are all fairly on par with each others top end scopes). Oh and agree with Baldrick - not sure why Meopta are so lowly classed on that list - they make damn fine scopes Edited September 24, 2009 by nickbeardo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Thanks Balders. I am too leaning towards the Nikon, as I have some of their Monarch binoculars and they are awesome. I have found the Monarch 4-16x42 Matte MilDot on eeebay for £275, while on Uttings they are £449. Nick, how much was yours if you don't mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 (edited) £425 Nikon Monarch 3 6-24x50 SIDEFOCUS http://www.opticswarehouse.co.uk/proddetai...lex&cat=302 came with three sets of turrets (short, target, oversized), flip up covers and a sunshade. Edited September 24, 2009 by nickbeardo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Thanks. Would prefer the 50mm obj lense but the 42mm one is looking like a bargain (assuming HMRC doesn't ruin it ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badshot Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 Thanks for the replies all. As usual I have totally ignored all the advice given and bought a Hawke frontier 8-32*50 with side adjust parallax. When compared side by side with the millet it was much clearer and was also a bit more compact. Now need a nice windless day to actually be able to get it zeroed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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