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I feel this whole thread has drifted off into fantisy land.......... .....just pop through the wardrobe....and....ugh...ahh Nannia "hello Mr Tumnus"

?? Do legions of green slugs, banging drums and chanting war songs, crawl from the firey bowels of hell into your eyes, and eat your very sole - Lurcherboy ? I'll get my coat....

Some cases such as the CCI are longer than Eley and won’t fit the chamber of some rifles. If you have a nice tight chamber then leave it alone and find ammo that shoots well in it. G.M. It just suprises me alittle that given the good name of Eley for manufacture and quality the first 50 rds hung-up and sprayed everywhere, the next seemd fine. I would put it down to a new rifle if the bolt hadn't been so hard to shut and the bullets marked. I feel unconfident that the next Eley bullet will not be damaged and wizz off into the unknown. Could it be that the breech has 'bedded in' ? or are the dimentions on the Winchester smaller?

If you mean the rim of the case, Yes as the lead bullet was damaged upon ejection, If you mean the rim of the bullet - I think that is at fault.

What actually happened was, I could feed the round from the mag or by hand into the breech. The bolt went foward fine BUT when you pulled it 'down' into the locked position it was really stiff. You can then eject the round, without firing, and there is a thin shiney ring just before the sealing ring where its been 'touched'. Another guy at the range said he had a simular problem with Eley and the new 40grn CCI, he gave me some of his winchesters to try, all chambered fine both manually and from the mag. I went to the shop for winni's to try but all they had were 40g CCI, which just compairing with the Eley are thicker headed. I had a second box of Eleys with me and tried those, all seemed to chamber fine and fly straight (bearing in mind the rifle had only fired around 60 rounds by then) It may also be worth mentioning some of the first box lifted in the mag and caught the reciver (this was not cause of the deformed heads) but the second box seemed fine. I would put it down to a bad box, but people tell me after x amount of rounds they have had no prob's with Eley. Is there anyone who could post a pic of Eley, Winchester and CCI to compare head size/width. Thanks Graham

I have just added a .22 CZ Siluette to my collection, I tried 50 eley plus subs and more often than not the bullet heads were being squashed when the bolt is completely shut. I went to buy some Winni's but was told they are on 'back-order' so tried CCI - the heads on these are even bigger I have since tried a second box of Eley, brought at the same time as the first and these SEEM ok. Has anyone else experianced this, ? bad batch or rifle bedding in..?

No Winchester .22 sub or any .17HMR B/tips from Countryway Glad to hear Potters may have some...

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looks ok - can the parrallax be used without that sidewheel. How heavy is it, it says 750g but some of the Hawke scopes claim to be 500g ish but when I've weighed them they are more like 800g. (I don't want to much weight as I may use it on the .22lr for standing shots at night) Thanks Dead-Eye

£53,000,000 If you are from Tonbridge

There seems to be alot of 'scope related chat on here recently. I am in the market for some new glass and have been searching the internet and looking at some of the old scopes we all collect in cupboards. I want something to go on my .17HMR so a reasonable mag is required as I like to see what I am abliterating I also dont want something which weighs as much as a small planet.. I would like a fine illuminated rectical, for night work. I currently have a S&B 8x56 on it, which is almost 800g on it's own, so around this sort of weight will be ok. Does anyone have any ideas, which will tick the above boxes - if so I would be greatfull to hear them. Do any of you have any experiance of 'AGS' Thanks Dead-Eye

I see a few of you have CZ's with 16" barrels, I assume factory choped inc. screw cut. Are they any louder, if so how much than std length...(with sound mod and sub's) Thanks DED

So to sum-up I shhould be ok to use a few non-toxic loads AS LONG AS IT'S NOT STEEL. Thanks guys - put my mind at rest Dead-eye

Sorry to hi-jack the thread but... I have a gun chamberd for 3" which does NOT have the 'steel shot' marking on the barrel. As bismouth/Tungsten-matrix is not as hard as steel, do you think I'll be ok putting 20 or so shots per year through it if I stick to open chokes...? :(

Helps alot - thankyou. I am a service manager for a muti-francise dealer, so regularly swap from Isuzu Trooper to Suzuki Alto to Impreza Turbo to T.V.R s So quite used to that

I wasn't thinking of taking them on the same day, - only trying to work out if the diffrent weight/feel of the two guns (bearing in mind you have two of the same model) would make if tricky to swap from one week to the next. Do you find for example you are missing the first 4-5 birds with the 20b, until you have your eye in, after using the 12b the day before. When maybe if you were using the 12b you would have nailed them...?? i.e If I go for a lighter / quicker 20b, am I going to struggle for the first 100 or more cartridges to connect.

I guess the main diffrence is the weight - which will change the swing. Bindi, do you find it tricky going from 12b to 20b or is it easy for you to adjust to the two diffrent weights ?

Has anyone done any definate experiments on 12-to-20 bore. I am fairly confident in saying a 28gram load through a 1/4 choke will patten the same through both gauges, for example. Does anyone shoot clays with a '20' if so do you ever feel disadvantaged next to a 12bore shooter ? Thanks Dead-eye

What the f*#*ing hell do you know, You *#/?ing smelly a@#e-faced t#*t keep you big nose out of it. :wacko: :wacko: All my love Dead-Eye. - See you Sat for more of the same

Gamebag, So......If you could source a regular supply of .20, you'd not change to .22

With the growing interest in .20, and a rising trend in the stopping power of .177. Do you still think the hard hitting/fast dropping power of the .22 is still king...??

I'm quite interested to hear this, I have noticed a stark trend TOWARD .177 in the field, in the last few years. and knowing you were a die-hard .22 man, I was interested in your responce. When it comes down to it 40yrds is the outside max for .177 BRAIN shots. As I say, If you are used to the curved trajectory, and can estime pellet drop, I have no doubt a .22 will stop much better. Im sure if you connect with the brain, with any pellet, it will be lights out...? I've read all the tec. stuff, which says if you can hit it in the right place, you'll kill it. For me it seems alot easyer with .177. But I am genuinely interested in your, and other, thoughts on the matter. I, as i'm sure we all, want to be using the "right tool for the job" :(

F.M - I think people would dis-agree with your statement on that one..... The accuracy from .22 and .177 is the same, The TRAJECTORY, as you know, is the greatest diffrence. If you are in the position to have been potting beasties all your life, and are well used to the curved trajectory and range estimation, a .22 IS the tool of choise. But for the rest of us mortals a .177 has no more than 2" variation from 15-40' it makes bowling over rabbits a whole lot easyer. I'm sure you'll agree when shooting with air rifle:- 1. A brain shot is the only REAL way to ensure a clean kill. 2. The brain occupies only a small part of the skull - therefor effective pellet placement is very important. 3. ANY pellet, ANY caliber, quick expanding or passing straight through. WILL cause death when hitting the brain out to 45yrds. I'm sure with the extra wieght/size of a .22 pellet the 'kill zone' is slightly larger, but I think the more predictable flight of the .177 more than makes up for this. Once again, if you can hit a 1'' target at any chosen range, any day from your chosen shooting position, great. I await your critical replys..... :( Dead-Eye

Sound like a daft thing to say, but....does this actually hinder the magazine..never thought of that. :( Was thinking of investing in one for AAs410

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