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So I am a fool for reading up on what all the other scientists and countries have done? Yet you quote” “The fact is that all you achieve by shutting the country down is that it slows down the infections rate. It doesn’t stop it, people still die, and when the restrictions are eased the virus flares up again. -The quicker a country gets the majority of the population immune the quicker it will recover” You came from the same school of thought as Bojo then – basically rambling nonsense – what other counties agree to your musings? The Uk has same rate as Italy now haven’t it? – your gamble better work , are we not going to lockdown this week-now- Like all the other counties then ? Also if you cannot make sense of my ‘ramblings’, I suggest you take some time out to learn English a bit better. “In your earlier post you talk about people just going into debt as though that is a small thing.” Actually I said this- “But the economy I guess would tumble and normal people would as mostly in debt, go quickly into negative equity, so IMO the reason for ‘heard immunity’ it always about the Green” So slight misinterpretation on your part then, and ironically for you actually agree with me, it’s all about the green. Go and charge you Tesla, and save the Planet, but discard the people over 65 that live on it. I would say I hope you sleep well at night, but the sad thing is you and so many others will, dreaming of money not sheep. I always wondered how any Government would introduce Eugenics’ into our society, like the Guy Bojo employed-Andrew Sabisky, if you bother reading any of his papers, you realise he talks some real honest sense- problem is ethically its way Taboo hence why he lasted 24 hours. The ever increasing sophistication of AI means we will soon have little labour left which needs human involvement, ,boredom like we will find out in 9 months, means breeding , who will pay for our welfare in the future if no-one hardly works? So you label me a conspiracy theorist like Sabisky then the guy Bojo employed? How did he slip through the net if your man is so clever? Like Sabisky , I think that it would have been slowly brought in via, sterilization or reduction of children allowed, as we cannot afford the social system, when less and less people will work. I really thought it would be a hard sell for any ‘civilised’ Government to achieve. Yet this recent event, has made me realise the idea of the survival of the fittest, is very real and easily accepted and justified, peoples easy acceptance of allowing the less productive members of our society to be sacrificed is the thin end of the wedge, and a reflection on how our society would accept it. For me it’s an awful sobering thought, yet it will become reality at some point I am sure, I cannot see how if there is no use for the population, the government will want or care to feed us. We have to have some USE else clearly, as shown recently will quickly be discarded. Just didn’t think it would be accepted thinking so quickly. I knew this post would maybe wind people up as its content, but I don’t care if you agree or not, just felt the urge to post as such Hypocrisy in our world, and a lot of us including me are guilty of it.

Ok so inevitably get called a Conspiracy loon. So before you reach your already conclusion I will get record straight of what I think. I do think it originated from China as most of its family of Virus does, as to if it was a Bioweapon gone wrong – who knows? I don’t and have not got a clue –its pure guesswork on anyone’s part. I do think China though lead the field in genetic research, and do think they don’t really conform to any ethical restrictions so will logically advance in that field far quicker than any western country. I do think that a lot of counties did/do have an interest in eugenics as it documented isn’t it? I don’t for any moment think any modern country would start using implementing it as would be unethical uproar. China? Again pure supposition, but I would not put it past them; DNA is the future of the advancement of the human race that is no conspiracy at all. Any Capitalist countries will be screwed as such economically, and will I imagine get worse so we are all in similar impending financial crisis. Pure conjecture on my part as to loads of older people dying and already ill dying, and will make a beneficial long term financial impact on Government after it has run its course. I keep on reading about on this very forum and elsewhere how they are unproductive and a drain on our recourses my conjecture originates from that accepted consensus TBH. I don’t for any reason think or suggest UK / Boris deliberately infected us on purpose, that defies any logic as all about the money, so if we had a cure as such , of course I think the Government would distribute it to UK population first as we would carry on being productive. But I do think our government/Boris have made the decision on not to close down country based on economics, rather than established methods everyone else is using, that seem to be working. I do still do think it’s hypocritical of the government to make out they gave a damn when they really don’t. I aint no loon

Okay so have been ‘self-isolating’ since 31st of December last year with slipped disc, now as just get better this, so have had some time on my hands J So read a lot on 24hr/3days/3hours air atomisation, and how it spreads, I really think it’s correct, it has been studied before in its relatives virus family so the accepted slandered. My Niece works at BA and is still flying everywhere at moment, I worry for her. Yet Uk and RM know better, like how? By ignoring known facts? As Matt Hancock, the UK Secretary for health and social care, clarified after criticism of the UK government: “Herd immunity is not our goal or policy. It’s a scientific concept.” Most of the people I Love and cherish are at risk in your ‘scientific concept’ The general consensus at the moment is a cure will be found next year, now whether that is likely who knows? But it has more probability than a ‘scientific concept’ hasn’t it? You could have contained the outbreak ASAP and stopped it spreading, but had to be contained for maybe a year. But the economy I guess would tumble and normal people would as mostly in debt, go quickly into negative equity, so IMO the reason for ‘heard immunity’ It always about the Green. So Our Government has Remembrance Day once a year, we all Patriotic salute the veterans as they walk by, humbled by their sacrifice often with tears in our eyes. A yearly exhibition put on by our government telling us “Lest we not forget” these brave people. Yet now the same Government has well not only forgotten them, but abandons them to “A scientific concept”? Again is this not a bit hypocritical?

It’s of my opinion over the years of viewing this forum that is quite patriotic. There have been many threads when Remembrance Day comes around or any major war ‘Anniversary’ really poignant ones, and some very moving. I always get quite emotional when I see fewer and fewer Veterans, of WWII each year as have watched this Parade from my younger days with my late Gran on telly. I have read many books on the bravery and sacrifice that is awe inspiring and almost reads like fiction as so un-believable. These increasingly frail veterans have so many medals of bravery that it is almost a burden to carry. I remember a while ago a post about basically “should we just move on about the war and forget it” well needless to say PW majority annihilated OP, I remember it stirred up some passion in response. And I totally agree, we would not be in our very cushy lives if not for these people so agree with the PW collective for sure. Yet you all seem clearly to be majority Tory, and therefore have a bone on for Boris and anything he does and defend his actions. Dr. John Campbell seems like a pretty switched on guy and knows what he is talking about regarding Corvid 19, I know some will be familiar of him already. So every county that has locked down immediately has prevented the spread of virus by containment – fact? But not Boris, he knows better, he decides to keep everything open, My Postman, says it basically business as ususal at RM, but like permeant Christmas lots of mail lots of parcels. 24 hour 3 days contamination on paper/plastic surface – fact? RM then, pretty good distribution for virus – fact? People self-isolating catch it from introducing contaminates into safe space-Fact? – Like mail than. Or am I being conspiracy loon? But he admits to “herd mentality” so wants this distribution to happen wants it to peak and overwhelm the NHS with a potentially and likely massive mortality rate. So knows he is liable to now kill of a huge population of older and vulnerable people, but hey so what? There are only old and not productive anymore, weak members of our society a burden on resources, so survival of the fittest –What! -What! Now if you wanted a Eugenics program that killed of the least productive members of society, which has been going on since Victorian times up until 1970’s with the rapid onset of Anti-War and CND, equal rights explosion into people conscious meant IMO these theories have now, much like DNA science has been largely hidden due to ethics. You got to admit, this virus then is pretty handy for any Capitalist county? No-one’s fault but Virus mate really sorry about grandma dying- more like really damn handy thanks covid-19 Problem is all the war veterans that you apparently love so much and are so patriot over will likely die with you mans ‘Gamble’. But the man you all voted for and love so much has thrown these veterans to the Lions without a care in the world. I think that is massively hypocritical, these people are not insignificant, but in fact way more worthy than most to try and protect as they have earned it, most of us haven’t- fact? My question is if you are all so patriotic, why do you think Boris so great?

I have followed this forum for many years and it has changed. It is very one sided,only a handfull of people challenge the PW massive. Henry is one of the few, i may not agree with all what he says , but he at least provides some evidance to back himself up- which is rubbished at evey turn, most offer only their opinion. If this forum is a slice of average Uk people, it is starting to follow the path of opinions being more important than any facts, or History , just how well you spin it,same as our Goverment then? i dont care how rose-tinted i may think Henery D glasses are, i am pretty sure he dont subscribe to Social Darwinism, i do and so do most on this site IMO, you just dont know it. His online persona to me is someone of integrity, at the moment most on here are like a pack of wolves, its not good or nice is it?

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Appreciate the replies, have time on my hands at mo as ligament injury (fell off steps). I did a C&G inspection exam last year it cost me and 9 other students £1100 each. 10 days course with one guy teaching you, I got on well with tutor and after 2nd day helped train some of the other lads on practical side- Asked him how much he was getting a week =£750. So £11k profit -£1500 - C@G entrance exam fee- not sure how much, but I know it is not loads.-so over 8k profit. So if you wanted to send kids on some sort of thing normally you would have to raise £11k - reality around £2000 needed that is a big difference is it not? These training centers absolutely shaft you for the cost and profit margin is terrific. I would try and get retired time served guys to volunteer their services to help train -the logic that if they wanted to be there it would be for all the right reasons. -I personally know a lot of guys that are getting fat and bored I think a lot of companies with a bit of publicity would donate materials -Basic Bricklaying /plastering stuff is cheap ,cable for electrics likely to be the most expensive-but you could source old color’s and sleeve it for peanuts-there is also a LOT of waste in building that could be re-used for training purposes. Think it could be nearly self-funding after a while because of profit you could make on selling property’s - the bigger the property the more profit you obviously make its not percentage based is it-I have done houses up all my life for other developers and my sister retired at 40 via property development so know the figures as such. Boxing ring would be the discipline - you could have sliding scale - more crime more time getting boxed up or be banished - I would give you the choice - except your punishment and all move on -slate clean - no reminder of what you did bad last week to remind you that you fail at things. H&S and do-gooders would not allow this – (boxing side) but really think it would work you would need some sort of punishment-you know some people will try it on. Boxing has always been great at giving violent kids an outlet-plus it would be fair. This would only work if it used existing ideas for basic foundation but introduce real radical ones as well. Myself and best mates have all had violent/ drink/ drugs /crime problems in past and I am not naïve about what goes on as such-but we all have come through it.

Okay so to atone for my sins of slating the USA, and being so negative, I thought I might write something positive to balance it out. I personally think the closure of youth clubs, and such like over the years leads kids not many options if they would like to avoid getting Pished on street corners - many are not literate enough to enter college even if they inspired to. Set up a training centre to teach building skills –practical stuff from bricklaying to Electrics. Less academic kids could learn decorating Plastering/ Bricklaying – the more technical savvy Heating -Engineers Electrics. I would sponsor or move the local boxing club/MMA club and build a really decent gym that would be at the centre as well. The sponsored fighter’s would train there and the facilities available for anyone to use to get aggression out if needed. I would employ people with a spark/passion for teaching and that know the trade well. Set up a basic literacy /maths class for anyone who wants to learn or get better at basic stuff. Have a side that buys probate repo houses in local area from auctions. When you get to a decent standard progress from college to above houses and are taught REAL on site problems that college’s NEVER teach. When completed sell houses- all profit goes back in kitty to re-invest pay wages etc. If you get caught fighting you are immediately took into ring above and duke it out. If you get caught dealing bullying etc- you are not binned but have to spend ring time with one of my sponsored fighters for a few rounds. If you choose not to take your punishment there and leave fine– if you want to come back –step in the ring – you will not escape it. I would welcome anyone through the doors, no referral needed just drop in –if you like what you see dive in. If you wanted to learn how to plasterboard a room out – you could at least get a job as a Plasterer’s labourer and make real money in less than a week –If you wanted to do a full C&G and actually become qualified – that’s down to your dedication and commitment. Those that could be bothered would indeed I think shine –those who couldn’t would clearly not. Those with decent attendance are rewarded with a night out when we have a sponsored boxing match. If you could create a positive vibe, I really think students there would probably encourage others to join – any trouble THE RING BECKONS instant karma if you are an idiot. I would encourage former students to teach if they had a spark – they could take the apprentices on the real houses as such – some could relate better to them I guess. I really think something like this could work and be relatively self-funding due to flipping the properties. If I personally won the lottery tomorrow I would set it up myself. I would love to do something positive like this.

Uk has been bang at it for ages: https://www.ft.com/content/addd777e-de43-11e7-a8a4-0a1e63a52f9c https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/ministers-rush-close-scottish-corporate-secrecy-loophole-amid-money-laundering-claims/ One of the main reasons property is so expensive in London and no tenants in a lot of them .

So fair enough you all Love America and say it has had no influence on our Culture and we have imported no ideas from them at all. If you read my reply to the FIRST response I held my hands up and thought well yeah it is a pretty diverse place – so that guy changed my opinion and made me see my errors straight away Comparing Florida like Blackpool – so I have been educated as such . But other than inspiring me to want to maybe visit it again in the future, the rest of you have basically repeated the first response. Just like your Love of the diversity America brings why cannot you accept that opinions (however mad you think they might be) can be equally diverse? Do you not think the world would be pretty boring if everyone thought the same?

This is not going away though is it? Unless cap is put on the children you are allowed to have if you are never going to work it will just get worse and worse the next generation of these kids is going to be bad – their Grandparents are not likely to have even worked. I might be pretty simplistic and I see things very black and white - for a hypothetical example: I love dogs- have one Staffy , feed him the most expensive food and occasionally wedged out loads of money for vets. If went and bought 9 dogs I could not afford to look after them financially or indeed walk them without help – would people help pay me to feed them pay vet bills? If they went round attacking loads of other dogs, would people feel sorry for me because let’s face it controller 9 staffys would be pretty difficult would it not? So it’s not MY fault. No, I would say most people would be like you’re a fool, why the hell should we pay for your selfish stupidity- you clearly knew you would have problems by having so many you need to except some responsibility? But it’s MY right I cry I love my dogs and I WILL have as many as I want! Substitute the dogs above for children and all of a sudden it’s totally different? It’s just madness-if these dysfunctional parents cannot look after one child is a pretty forgone conclusion they will struggle with loads more-it’s just basic logic. If I had children I would Love them– I would try and bring them up with all MY faults ironed out – to teach them, watch them grow and flower into something beautiful –is that not the point of wanting children? But for the many women I know over the years none of above it’s just an easy life choice. Some cannot be bothered to take them to school as they cannot cope, Social Services get involved and do you know what happens? They start picking the kids up in a taxi and take them. Now that is although annoying is what the kids need-But problem is the same woman can still keep having loads more – it’s wrong on so many levels.

Sorry if I came across a severe American bashing , kind of realised after first comment and thinking how big and diverse the states are (and thinking of many documentary’s I have seen ) Florida was probably not the best place to maybe work/stay for months when I was so young and impressionable. – Maybe the fact Florida was more of an older persons place as well. Disney land was the only tourist place I actually went really- and only because my Dads wife had never been and he didn’t want to go. I would Love to visit Alaska as the wilderness side appeals to me a lot, and maybe could relate to the people better, I certainly would have gone to the Southern 4 x4rally if I was there. Blackpool if the only place someone visited, would I guess look pretty bad as well – my memory was everyone drunk loads of shell suits –pub/nightclub toilets that you needed wellies to visit and offered out to fight more times than any ware else in my life – so yes would not be too good for a overseas visitor. I still was speechless at the size of the people –I genuinely had never seen people that big in Uk- but the fast-food is so cheap and quick and All you can eat restaurants’ were in abundance- I could understand why you might easy end up overweight cheap food and incredibly cheap booze. But still think we have adapted a lot of bad stuff –certainly blame culture which leads to H&S madness and warning stickers everywhere telling you common sense stuff. Rap and the glorifying of gang culture is 100% from over there IMO though.

Yes i watched the first one and would love to go to that Redneck rally - also yeah that programme was a lot better than I thought - some real interesting views regarding trump. I guess rather unfairly I picked up all the bad points about the States, but do really feel we have for whatever reason adopted a lot of their culture-and I don't think we needed to . Don't think for one moment its all bad , but we had our own - which IMO is being diluted.

Henry – like I say mate- I might not agree with you but you come out with some interesting stuff and unusual angles. The prison you shown –to me is to induce a perceived paranoia in the very fact you don’t know if you are being watched so likely to keep you in constant state of tension. You could compare it to the all seeing eye of religion and potential sin –a way to control through being paranoid about something is ALWAYS watching you. It more or less must be like that now I guess in modern prisons-I used to work for a company and fitted domes in prisons-they were very expensive so not many as such fitted –but now cameras are peanuts and everywhere – There is already a thing about hacking smart TV’s to be able to watch you along with phone /laptop/ webcam we are defiantly coming to an Orwellian type state. The police rely on CCTV and seizing the perps mobile and using Cellebrite phone extraction techniques to retrieve ALL your data not just relevant bits-how far can should they go back? I think the reliance on these techniques will unfortunately dilute proper police crime solving skills. Crime defiantly pays, I live on council estates and know quite a few pretty dodgy people- a lot are loaded TBH only the stupid ones are in and out of prison. It’s all about your Moral compass and responsibility – but that has to be installed in you from parents /role models from birth really-something as simple as brushing your teeth ,tiding your room teaches you to respect your stuff and having to do things that you don’t like or see point of maybe when you are young. Parents now buy a mobile/tablet and use it as an electronic babysitter for example – phones are simply an addiction – I cannot believe how people don’t see that.(maybe they just don’t care). But my points about a cap on children I think is valid – it just promotes entitlement for doing nothing, plus a selfish attitude towards the rest of society. I am 49 and have seen kids grow up on my estate – wag school smoke weed, get no qualifications no pride – but nobody pushes them – I love Bikes and some would be interested in fixing them and would be eager to learn –something tangible to get into- I NEVER had any trouble with the youths TBH as I would always treat them just normal and get on with loads – they cry out for a bit of attention which often never comes-hence gangs. A few of them have topped themselves over the years or end up down the nut house due to drug abuse – I have watched the rise and fall of children that aint even mine and it’s sad – whether you like it or not SOME parents see them as a meal ticket to lethargic easy lifestyle. Just like when my dog gets attacked by another dog when walking – I don’t blame the dog I blame the owner.

Totally appreciate I was only around the Florida region at the time and a pretty insular view of the pretty big country –but it was what I remember when I was 21 at the time. The things I thought were great for example: The cheapness and availability to do anything like hobbies pastimes I thought was incredible –you could learn to scuba dive and it was peanuts -flying a plane was like a third of the price and an average Joe could afford it not like here. If you wanted to eat well, like a king in fact you could food was really cheap unlike here. The encouragement to achieve success and people admired you for it – here people are often jealous – you won’t find keyed luxury cars in the USA for example. And the press people love success and people who achieve it, our press seem to love slating anyone the first time they trip up. And whenever I think it’s quite blinkered or not they are proud of their country – history /War success-here we are now taught to be ashamed and forget about it. But IMO we haven’t adopted any of the above points- we seem to adopt the bad. In my previous post – Obesity problems big is beautiful diabetic kids are great?– yes just a bit. Violent crime gang gun culture – yes. Stupid OTT red tape for the simplest tasks which years ago would be common sense? Check. Violent crime common place and not often even headline news – yes. Social media culture which promotes young girls to ‘sex’ themselves up on their profile pictures for more superficial likes – sex everywhere really as it will always sell –I think so. More and more materialistic society which promotes debt/spending on superficial stuff when most of the time it’s not needed- we are massively in debt. People believing the papers social media whatever they seem to say – I really think so the general British public seem to be a lot more gullible I think. Suing culture we have embraced- come on now do I even have to explain that? Channels full of total banal **** – Love Island Anyone Remember though! Not saying I am right just thought might make an interesting topic to discuss – which is what I like about forum- I will always change my opinions if someone shows me a better way or educates me on something don’t know so everyone opinion is 100% valid in my book even if I don’t agree – that is what a debate is all about – different people views. Scully - always think you come across as sound so totallly respect your views on this forum

Okay, my posts are really long but hopefully worth your time There have been numerous topics on this forum regarding our increasing worry of the way our society is becoming- this is simply my take on a possible reason. Many years ago my Father emigrated to Florida, and I went over in 1989 I was nearly 21 back then-I always assumed as it was a primarily Christian English speaking country it would basically be the same as us culturally but hotter J I had never seen so many fast-food places and how cheap it all was-a burger was 99c or 50p, when I went to Disney I was speechless at the size of the people there in the que’s -and the size of the seats to accommodate them, I had NEVER seen such big people in my life. I expected to them to be all ripped –but at Daytona Beach it was like a load of blubbery wales and the odd fit people, would you not want to be slim and fit and healthy when young where is your self-pride. Every tool I seemed to pick up had loads of stickers on it about what not to do – what’s the crack with all these labels dad? He started laughing –‘basically the Americans’ seem to lack common sense and have to be told everything however obvious they cannot think for themselves’ he said. Everyone had huge satellite dishes in the gardens and nearly 100 channels to choose from –WOW I thought we had like 3, after 3 months I trying to find anything with substance I realised they were all just well **** – take away the news and documentary’s and it was like 70 channels of brain dead content – else either trying to sell you something or convert you to Christianity Obviously The gulf war filled the papers along with gun crime above and LAWSUITS- everyone was suing everyone for anything, my dad wanted to run a boat fishing business but he could not afford the insurance required for the amount of permutations of immense stupidity you had to account for it was all farcical really. ON a daily basis there were newspapers articles about shootings – it was so commonplace it didn’t warrant headlines, back here it would have been major news; people would have been shocked at the level of violence and gun crime-‘They still think they are living in the Wild West and are Cowboys’ was my dad’s take-life seemed cheap and taking one was accepted. Compared to our reserved ‘hidden top shelf magazines’ Porn was like everywhere-on pay for view TV , strip clubs , and videos and magazines in average type shops , nudity was really accessible to see compared to back home and kind of seedy. Always been into shooting and fishing, so was blown away at the amount of sporting stuff available at say Walmart, so much total rubbish you didn’t need to have fun, camouflage bog roll in different patterns sticks in my head – I caught every type of course fish with 2 rods – there they had a rod for every species it seemed – ‘it’s to lure the suckers in and catch the angler more’ my dad used to say. Watching Political/ Evangelical stuff on TV, its format reminded me of our Pantomime shows, incredibly insincere crass people, spouting total baloney-yet could get people into mob frenzy at the slightest thing – unreserved belief in what they were being told – if it is on TV it must be True –Praise the Lord and donations number below –well gullible race of people. I tried buying a beer but was asked ID , as was under 21, however if I had a driving license could have bought a .44 Automag with 3 different barrels in S/S with attached scope and a 9mm MAC10 when I visited a gun show – how messed up is that I thought. Was reading a car magazine on way home it had corvette on front cover – an American started saying how they produced best sports cars in the world – ‘Yes I said if you don’t go round any bends your cars can only go in straight lines’- had a row basically quoting the 911 took USA by storm as first decent handling car they experienced –but don’t let the facts get away of your brainwashed belief mate. So no thanks Dad- want to go home to my country that has seemly unlimited amount of history, culture, education , creative TV/radio , free thinking, non-brainwashed, dignified, heathy people that could think for themselves – I kissed the tarmac when I got back to old Blighty I missed it so much . Now 30 years later we have basically adopted there culture – WHY? Is my question, our country was once a proud nation with our own identity envied the world over – a lot of people died to achieve that – it makes me want to weep.

Jeez Henery D, I follow this forum for years and admire people like you who buck the trend and majority when you will be likely on the end of a lot of people frustrations. But you plainly and obviously court controversy for controversy sake to wind people up – Quoting child killer Ian Brady is pretty unlikely to win much support ,being idealistic is all very commendable but sometimes you have to be realistic- sometimes you have to shoot your pet dog that bites you-some creatures - unbelievable maybe to you, are just born bad. Try reading some books on Salford’s drug gang culture – where they not only tax you –but rape the male in front of his wife and kids for example? No some people are pure evil you have got to accept that. Regarding my post, if you have a child that is disabled etc, the dedication and time and effort to bring them up is momentous , if you both work as parents one would have to give up your job at least to be at home depending how severe the disability is- My best friends wife works with mentally ill children , it’s really demanding –she stays over at their houses as the parents need some downtime most of them struggle with one child. The therapy medical care involved is all phenomenally expensive, yet the woman I know ,even though she had 4 kids already decides it her human right to have more – social services do everything for the kids they are assigned social workers as she cannot cope – so her answer ? Have another four-I wouldn’t let her look after my dog she has no common sense – her kids run riot as they are getting older , a very selfish person with no regard for society or her kids welfare it’s just a way of life and all about her-trust me she don’t care much for her kids.

Basically agree, BUT ...... My nephew comes from a privilege background, but ironically as he has been giving everything on a plate so has no real identity or respect himself- if he ends up going down for GBH charge in London nick will be looked after by his 'posse'. But like I have tried to tell him –yes do you then have any concept of the fact you will then ‘OWE’ them something when you get out? And you will not be able to just walk away? Half of me think’s it will be good -a massive reality check -the other half thinks he will come out full ‘gansta’ and never be able to leave that lifestyle. Tim Westwood was always kinda ‘dissed’ originally as he is a white guy pretending to be black vibe, but when he got shot his cred went up and that was years ago. The Social media feeds even if banned are useless as they all use feeds/links to videos that you will know if you know kind of thing-He showed me a mate of his that had released a dissing video to some other gang in London – it had address like (http:/wfiuwfa7347sh588h45sf) basically you would have no clue to find it as such. It’s mostly underground, but record companies have feeds as well basically, and can see if it is popular. If you constantly re-offend after having rehabilitation programmes tried on you when inside, after a certain number of strikes your out –and get moved to a harsh prison system which makes you work for your food/accommodation would be a nice deterrent. I think of the chain gang/breaking rocks all day would be a good incentive not to go back. Basically if you cannot be bothered after help to change, well you WILL be punished. A cap on children allowed if you don’t work, and National service type thing if you choose not to work and never go to school is a start. (You know that won’t ever happen thou….). If this society continues the way it is I think vigilante type incidents will start to appear-it’s inevitable. I could wear a burka and no camera will see me commit the crime, and if I use a motorbike to aid my get away – the police will be afraid to chase me ,can you imagine the headline if I crashed? A few of my friends have emigrated and I wish I could follow TBH .

Does anyone not think that maybe one of the reasons, of this increasingly screwed up society, is the fact of the benefits culture, and ease of which it is acquired? Just like many other ideas of good original intention to help the genuine needy -such as Legal aid, free health care, child benefits just gets milked by people with no moral compass /integrity. I struggle to think of how a girl of 17 or less , can have a child once a year with a different father (theoretically) until she cannot biologically conceive, and NOBODY will tell her to stop . We all have the possibility of free education so don’t agree with what Plan B says about that –and could all potentially be really clever/skilled, BUT that takes hard work, loads of homework, study sacrifices of your free time, which most kids won’t naturally do without a role model pushing them and inspiring them – but that takes good parenting and relentless hard work – the very thing my fictitious mother above is unlikely to have. BY never saying you have to accept responsibility for yourself and stop having as many kids as you want with no intention of ever paying for their upbringing -the state and all the hard working people who fund that will -no worries, she isn’t likely to stop. A perfect example of that is the bedroom tax – when it was introduced, the way round it? They just had another baby , it was a simple as that ,I’ve lived on council estate’s and know a few people that avoided moving or PAYING for once in their lives by dropping another baby like you might get another job or work overtime. I know a woman with 9 kids, some are disabled so she gets shed loads of help –she drives a shogun and the council has knocked an intermediate wall down and linked two houses into one for her and her brood to reside in –its massive –I am a Qualified sparky yet could never affords a car/ house like she has, she has never worked in her life just lies on her back like it’s a career. She argues it’s her right like an entitlement to have as many kids, and you should be almost honoured to help her when you are lucky enough to have a job and earn money – this is the benefits culture we have encouraged to grow its madness. I cannot see any of the kids in that situation having any kind of role model to inspire them can you? Society typically hates the kids, I hate the system for allowing the people to just breed as many as they want, a career in doing nothing is not discouraged, having twenty kids with 20 dads is not even something to be ashamed of now – they hold their heads up high like it is an achievement and let /expect society to fit the bill and teachers to educate and teach them basic manners. Grime /Drill music, trust me, is on a stratospheric rise in popularity, youth world over cannot get enough of it – poor uninspired kids relate to it , privileged kids follow it because its hip cool so it’s both segments of the spectrum. Like Plan B says, they look to rap to get inspiration etc., and as he rightly says – it is the violence in the lyrics /videos that attracts the Labels, and gets them signed up. My nephew is 20 lives in London and as is well in with Drill culture and is promoting some lad – he is in liaison with a major label at moment about it, and recently has got into violence and has a TAG and is up for GBH sec20 – I said what to the record company say about that? He said your joking they loved it, makes him and them look badass –Controversy sells and promotes anything and always will. He gets offered free clothing, watches from new companies all wanting to ride on the back of the violent associations, if one gets shot and is on the media wearing a free top, well the Publicity you get is priceless. These companies have no moral compass, as each young and sometime really talented person that gets shot another simply talks their place conveyer belt style, life is cheap and the money continues to roll in especially if there dead so its win win . I asked him why you feel the need rap about stabbing up shooting your fellow brothers then. Because it sells the records and gets the Companies interested-he says all the social media feeds once they generate a high viewing figures (and only then) have you any hope in getting some contract, they primarily are not interested in talent just likely popularity which is proven by the viewing figures first, he says if you are attracting figures in the million’s on a regular basis, you are likely to get a deal as you almost are guaranteed to sell records. Harsh punishments don’t really work TBH, just look to the states, nicking a car gets you locked up for a while and their prisons to me don’t look easy – but they don’t deter them – these people have had no moral compass in them from childhood, and nothing to lose, their lives are hollow anyway so just don’t care, the gang culture even if inside gives a sense of belonging that the parents never did. If it costs 65k /40K a year for a prisoner to be locked up no wonder this country is skint and the Judges CPS don’t want to send anyone down- rehabilitation if their 30 isn’t likely to work is it. But you could say I was a hypocrite, as if someone mugged my Mum, I would hurt them really bad and happily go down – I would not care what there background was. This is why it’s a thorny issue with many sides and passionate opinions. Society for sure is very messed up, and IMO the benefits culture endless handouts are the root cause – it breeds a race with no meaning in their life’s – hence self-abuse with drugs alcohol to take them from thinking about it, a massive rise over say last 20 years in self harm and suicide rates amongst children really is just wrong and sad on so many level’s when originally it was to help the destitute and poor – someone has to cap the child rate in this country if you choose never to work- else it’s just going to get worse.

Not sure if this is the correct place to post this , but know this light is quite popular with shooting /outdoor users: http://www.uttings.co.uk/p119274-clulite-long-ranger-led-pistol-light-plr-500/#.WUfa4VGQyUk However just been posted on a electrical forum that its faulty- so thought it might be a good idea to post it here. http://www.electricalsafetyfirst.org.uk/product-recalls/2017/06/clulite-long-ranger-led-pistol-light/ Regards Jonny.

The thing that I cannot get my head around in this Liberal infested media/World , is why when you, in this country are accused of being a Paedophile, such as Cliff Richard/ Craig Charles ,Kevin Webster etc, the Police will arrest you , it's all over the Media etc that day if you are famous, and your Career and reputation is ruined overnight. Its irrelevant if you are proved not guilty as 'No smoke without fire' means you are screwed. You are totally searched, Your home , computer , phone records etc, and if anything is found or any links you have to other Nonce's you are bang to rights and put on the sex offenders register , and imprisoned whatever. Now please don't think I am condoning Pedo's , I would hang them all day long for free and not lose sleep, but nobody in the Liberal media /left wing people decry it's not fair , Innocent until proven guilty , breech of human rights , intrusive monitoring against their rights etc. If you have any connection at all to Child abuse, you are basically screwed and marked for life, which is IMO dead right , as by their own admission and their shrinks , Paedophiles cannot repress there 'Urge' to be attracted to children, so will always be a risk to society. Why is it then, that these potential Terrorists , that most of the time are known to the Security agencies etc, not given the same type of treatment? Just like the people who reckon they are 'researching child material' or accidently come across it and 'inadvertently' downloaded it are total liars , and not believed in any way, and rigorously investigated, why is the same enthusiasm not awarded to these potential 'known threat' people that search for links to Isis , bomb making DIY , etc on the net? Yet you can have links to Terrorist groups, via the net social media etc , visit known Flagged terrorist training countries for a 'Nice Holiday Honest Guv' for months and be allowed back into UK , and carry on with it. On the Interpol terrorist register , and trying to re-enter the UK? just bin your passport mate, no worries. It is a core belief system , that will not be removed by any Psychiatric treatment, as its in their very soul. If you knew your potential employee was on the sex offenders register ,are you likely to employ them ? If there was a similar 'potential links to terrorist register' and your potential employee was on it, are you likely to employ them? For the fear off up-setting people and to be seen racist (Rotherham springs to mind ) the Media/police /General society etc, seem to just not want to deal with common sense. If I walk into a bank /airport /Service station wearing a balaclava, would I not be deemed potentially suspicious? If I was asked to remove said Balaclava ,would it be a travesty of my human rights and degrading? Or would I have to simply accept that I could be anyone under there , and they basically cannot see me, so obviously will be subjected to a more intense search , would be an unavoidable result of my need to stay covered, due to MY choice of headgear wearing beliefs? Yet to state something so obvious , is inciting Islamophobia. Most of the times the comments allowed online on Newspaper articles , are not allowed if it is likely to be bad PR , open debate must be allowed, yet it's not. When the PIRA was at its height of its terror campaign in the UK, my Dad, who was Irish, and had a unmistakeable accent, used to get some harassment at the time, he went Back to Ireland a few times to visit relatives, and would always be stopped at Passport control and grilled more than anyone else , even though having a British Passport. I asked him if back in the day did it bug him? 'Yes of course it did ,it seemed that if there was a bombing ,and the Media coverage, because of my accent, A FEW people automatically assume you are a Terrorist and potentially suspicious' was basically his answer. 'So why did you put up with it then?' was my next question. 'Well the prospects here are better than back home , and if it bugged me that much I WOULD SIMPLY GO BACK TO MY BIRTHPLACE' was his answer. So basically then he just got on with it, no moaning , no outcry, just as often, when you live/work abroad , the indigenous people tend to stick together, get more work, and the law often favours them, so they look after their own first. This political correctness of today is absolutely insane, it overrules any common sense approach and until it changes things will just get easier for would be terrorists IMO. ANY connection to terrorist type activity or research should be awarded with being put on a database for life, to screw up any decent job prospects, and label you as a possible future threat. If your family have claimed Asylum here, and you are directly involved in a terrorist plot, ALL of them should be instantly deported. And for the people to say it will just drive it underground more, well is it not there already? Just like the PIRA was infiltrated by undercover people, the same needs to start happening with these Terrorists cells ,the knowledge has to come from the inside- it has now got to be viewed that we ARE at war with these people. I have just read 'The Iraq War' by John Keegan, and at the start of it , he tries to condense the history leading up to Saddams rule ,it's just a constant cycle of killings /wars/ military coup's regarding the religious beliefs of people at the time , these type of Countries, will never be at peace with one another, it revolves around Pure Fear/Dictatorship, it's all they know, there is no compromise. There will be no end to this outcome, as these people/countries are living in the dark ages and don't want to come out of that era, you simply cannot reason with them.(unless the technology/science/medicine suits them but you cannot mention facts like that). This is not meant to be mad rant , and as my last post on this forum was on Remberance Day, and what with the anniversary of the D-Day landings I almost feel ashamed to be posting it. But every time I think of Emdadur Choudhury burning Poppies on Armistice Day ,and getting fined all of £50, as the Liberals are always telling this country -'Hate speech is not Free speech'. 'Everyone should have a voice' (unless it's something we don't agree with) It really winds me up. This ultimately, is simply mine, regardless of what anyone thinks, and I am exercising it . But , something's got to change hasn't it?

I read this forum a lot , but never like to post as everything seems to end in a feud. I read the O/P this morning, TBH read it the wrong way and was fuming , made myself late for work, in attemp to vent my annoyance - posted it, than pulled it a minute later after i had reflected what i had done. This day should be about remembrance , nothing more-nothing less - respectiful and dignified. So nearly to succumbed to my own feelings this morning until I remembered this - In 1984 i was 17 , it was Friday and was out shopping down Asda, when my eye was drawn to an Old Soldier in his Red Livery selling Poppy's . I went over to him said Hello, reached in to my back pocket and all i had was a Twenty pound note. Went to try to put it in his collection box , he grabbed my hand then held it firm to stop me, and looked me deep in my eyes and said 'Son are you sure you can afford it?' i almost had to force him to accept it. I felt very emotional , and extremely humble, and the feelings have never faded and indeed never will, He was there this morning, fresh in my mind , this is why I remember and will always wear my Poppy with pride.

Just seen thread - and had to comment. Just read it 2 days ago , coundent put in down read it into the night over 3 days up till 3am LOL The man sure loves his dog great read - which makes you feel very humble indeed.

Recived my pump - thanks it works great. Cannot beleive how hard it is to pump to 200psi though! ATB Jonny.