Danoi99

I have permission to shoot on a couple of local farms. I never get a big bag, but I am grateful for the owners letting me wander freely about their property. Was out and about this Monday gone, saw 2 Buzzards wheeling about, loads of tits (great & blue), the backside of a deer, a butterfly, a squirrel (out of range), sadly no pigeons. But did come across this little lot: Whoever does this is a moron. Come on mate, they're bright blue and you piled them up nicely but couldn't be ***** to put them in the bin. I will admit to loosing the odd empty now and again, but at least I make up for it by picking everyone else's carts up. It shows that some people have little respect for the countryside. What a great way to represent shooting in the U.K, by leaving plastic all over the shop. Bin situated just outside farm gate. Sort it out !!

Proud? I could hardly squeeze my head through the front door after that performance

Hi all, Just sharing pics of my new gun. It's a SFS tuned HW80K that's a smidge off 20ft lbs. Tony & Co did the business on this gun, and it was well worth the drive from Bristol to collect it. I've finally got the hang of it now, I know how it likes to be held and the accuracy is there. I love the uncluttered days out with this rifle, pocket of pellets, mars bar, bottle of water.........freedom. Anyway, yer tis: 4 shots (kneeling) from 30 yrds, Air Arms Diabolo Field 15gn...........room for improvement, but I'm happy for now.

I have a small permission that brings me plenty of quiet time, away from the stress of every day life. Often there's not much about, and I've never pulled any large bags. But I do get to feel free.........for a short time, and I'll put food on the table if I'm lucky.

Not jealous

He's got that "You owe me £50!" look about him. Nice shot.

Nice one sir.

Apologies to the OP, it's gone off on a tangent again. Won't be responding further to this thread, ATB

It's not a huge sweeping generalisation at all. You both know damn well that there ARE people attending clay shoots who do not themselves have a SGC. And why do you keep telling me things I already know ? 1. Of course a .22rf is dangerous if used incorrectly.....you're not inventing the wheel with that peach. 2. Do you honestly believe that every shooter who turns up at a clay shoot is asked to produce their cert before being allowed to shoot a round? You're off your box mate. I've shot compact sporting at a CLA game fair...wasn't asked to produce SGC..........Ian Colleys in Glos (a well respected and safe ground) shot 2 rounds.....wasn't asked to produce SGC...........there are a number of others but I'm getting bored, in fact the only ground that ever asked if was being accompanied/ or current SGC holder is the place I shoot now ! FACT. If you look the part......Musto shooting jacket......Muckboots.....Range Rover.....CENS baseball cap......you will, on quite a few grounds, not be asked for your cert. 3.Why do you insist on fabricating a load of toss into my original post? Is it an attempt to make you ramblings more valid? I can tell you now sunshine, it aint working. I never once said that I know of MANY grounds where I see unsafe practices.......I have indeed witnessed some numptys in my time, and as I explained......they were dealt with. You are just trying to start some kind of argument. You're getting hot and bothered over nothing, and you're harping on about regulations...and "I suggest that you report the matter blah blah blah " GET REAL !!! 4. There ARE people plodding around with shotguns, with their mate who has the cert, shooting safely no doubt......I started out like that, many of us did. But I went on to apply for my SGC and got it, recently applied for FAC (shotgun & .22 air rifle, my choice) I got that too. But I can tell you now........I've seen a guy that I know, an absolute lunatic who I wouldn't trust with an elastic band, out having a swan round with a shotgun over his rounded shoulder (which by the way, I think looks awful), he has had a number of dealings with Police for violent offences. There's no way on earth he would get a SGC, not a chance. Now he's not a prohibited person because he's not been in prison (yet) Now here's the cruncher.......I watched him shoot a stand and he hit some good birds, followed all the rules, shot safely, put his empties in the bin, his gun was put back in his slip before he took over the buttons, good etiquette all round. He's still an undesirable !!!!! 5. I said I'd been to military ranges, I didn't say I was "in the military".....you need to pay attention and stop inventing/ assuming things. I've had enough of this rubbish now. You're living in a dream world where everyone shoots safely, and all ranges and clay grounds follow the rules to the letter. A land where every clay shooter who visits a new but well established ground, upon entering the container, hut, club house promptly enquires as to whether or not the owner is in possession of an exemption certificate, and if not, could you give me proof that all who shoot here today are current SGC holders? Because if I find out that there are any non cert holding undesirables swanning about with DT10's resting over their hunchbacks....I'll be phoning the filth and dropping you right in the dogs mess !!! You must be so blinkered to the truth of shooting in the UK. Only when one of these undesirable hunchbacks pumps 28 grams of lead into some poor **** foot (accidentally) or sends a .22rf through a hedge into a vicars backside, sending the press wild with the antis baying for blood, and the next wannbe prime minister scouring the country for votes......ending in a super clamp down on all things that go bang will people like you come out of the woodwork with your belated arguments/ suggestions for safer gun ownership. The gun law is strict in the UK.......but's absolutely full of holes, and you know that it's true. So you can come back at me with your essay length post, full of wonderful facts about gun law, range protocols and whatever else tickles your fancy.......it won't change the truth !! Good day.

Here we go. 1. The only ranges I've been to were military. So no to that one. 2.The shoot is very well ran by a CPSA coach. Yes he does deal with things promptly, but do you expect him to stand behind every shooter on every stand? Get real mate....you're just being pedantic. And I never said that I'd regularly witnessed ridiculous behaviour, please read my post again mate. I was referring to some numptys who were not regulars at this shoot, pointing guns in unsafe directions, and loosing of a shot into the floor whilst stood in the stand......they laughed, I reported the matter....they have never been seen since. I'm not gonna go into every tale of woe.....but others on this forum were there and will probably jump in on this. They too will have witnessed the way in which the team at our local ground swiftly deals with idiots. The fact of the matter is, there are some thoroughly undesirables out there who, on any given Sunday, can swan around with a shotgun over their shoulder cuz their mates got a SGC. There are also people out their with shotguns/ rifles etc who are deemed as "suitable" by the Police because they have a clean (ish) record.........or they just never got caught !!! FACT. Now I'm not saying that they are all unsafe or dangerous, I myself have a chequered past, which the police are well aware of. I digress. It's only my opinion..........I don't think inexperienced shooters should jump straight up to larger calibre rifles until they can show that they are safe and competent. I would hope that an experienced FEO could ascertain that little gem somehow. I have permission to shoot on land where I frequently see deer, and I'm allowed to shoot them once I get the right rifle (farmer has no problem) but the last rifle I shot was an SA80, and I don't think I should bang straight into a .243 without getting my mojo back. What's wrong with having a safe and responsible attitude to shooting? (why does it feel like yer lighting a fuse when you press the POST button?) Publish and be damned I say.

Jeez, I think there are some reckless burks in this world of ours. I've had some experience of shooting rifles in the past, but more recently (last 5 years) I've been bitten by the clay pigeon bug, and also the real blighters. I read various gun publications and have found myself wanting a rifle. I'm going back to basics and have ordered a HW80k .22 FAC (only around 20ft lbs max), but I haven't gone for FAC power so that I can clip a squirrel in the shoulder and still nail him !! You shouldn't be shooting any beast unless you can put a shot schmack into the kill zone. I'm all for protecting our rights to enter into shooting, but why shouldn't there be some reasonable framework for ensuring that the potential applicant has, at the very least, had some experience with smaller cals before jumping straight onto a .308? (and blowing deer legs off) popcorn at the ready !! To be honest, I've seen some ridiculous behaviour from some clay shooters (negligent discharges etc) at a very safe, well run shoot. Many people who lack fundamental skills are being allowed to buy shotguns..........sod letting them get Steyr counter sniper rifles eh? We'll all be moaning when some issuing force gives CF to some wally that shoots his neighbours knackers off by accident......and it hits the press......and the anti mob get stuck into it.......and they leave us with sub 12ft lb air rifles (with a licence like our Scottish friends).

I think it's time to look at the simple/ cheapest option for sorting this FTE problem. MartynGT4 has witnessed the failure when shooting clays. I'm dead quick on the reload side of things, and we had the thought that the empty cart is still fully expanded and is gripping the barrel, and coupled with the rough surface of the chamber is likely causing the extractor to slip off the rim. And usually happens on or around the last pairs on the stand (shot 7 - 10) so things are all hotted up by then I suppose. The carts next to the pheasant in my pic were just put in shot for effect, I actually shot it with a 70mm 32g no.6 felt wad, Extreme High Pheasant by Hull cartridge. They have an almost 20mm brass (yes I know it aint brass) and yes.....no problems with ejecting, just a dent in my wallet. Oddly enough, this poor sod was only about 4ft off the deck when I nailed it, it flushed out of the edge of a wood about 6 ft away and made me jump. Unfortunately for him it also made me snatch the trigger !!! I digress. As for the laser gizmo, it's a good thing to give you an idea about what's going on, but I'd agree that it's no substitute for time on the pattern plate or a decent gun fitting session. So it's polishing time for me, I'll let you know how I get on. Cheers ps. anyone ever swapped out their ejector on an 870 for the non stamped type? Volquartson machined type thingy. Non MIM I think it's called. did it help?

I don't think anyone should attempt to dive right in on the full bore scene without having gained sufficient skill/ experience with smaller calibers first. As Deer Shooter said, please learn to walk before you try and run. It amazes me that people often ask the sort of questions that easily identifies them as someone who is not ready. Had they a real desire to get into the scene, one might imagine that they'd done a little reading on the whole subject............am I mistaken? I'm not having a pop mate. ATB

I love the Wingmaster but it's not without it's flaws...............sometimes it doesn't eject (chamber too tight? wrong type of carts?) I've had to put a comb raiser on it, I have way more success with my side by side hammergun !!! Need to spend some time on the pattern plate me thinks as I've stuck a laser sighter thingy in it and the beam is hidden completely by the bead. whereas the beam hits just above the bead on my hammergun. Anyone else had any accuracy problems with the 870? At least I've had some hits with it eh?

Will terrorists be looking to re activate old german MP40's from WW2? Allah ur akbar, gott mit uns !!!